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Q-Q first hand - what do you do here?
I was talking to a player on Sky Poker last night, & he told me he had exited a Viva Las Vegas Semi-Final on the very first hand when he got it all-in first hand with Queens. The Structure has 2,000 chips, & starts at 10-20. Do you get it all-in here?
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Agree with YoungUn though, 10 minute blinds (maybe even 7) it can be folded but in the super quick games it's a whole different ball game
Could you theoretically do this several times and build up a very healthy stack early doors, even if you're not exactly making any friends around the table and raising more than a few eyebrows about your poker ability?
Btw, just being devil's advocate here! I wouldn't dream of doing it myself- it seems completely insane! But the question stands- over a long period will you gain from all the times your opponents fold, compared to the occasional time you get called and get knocked out in the early stages? (Bearing in mind that even if you do get called, you still have a chance to win and double-through).
I'd see this working only in freeze-out tourneys where there's a lot at stake- and certainly not cheap re-buys. What does everyone think?
I have to agree with you for the most part but there a couple of things to consider. All poker players are the best players in the world when we know everyone's cards, it's very easy for us to say here that we can pass but if we're in that situation with only your own hole cards to look at it's never as simple. I have to say I fall into this camp, I've said in this thread that i'd contemplate folding but in truth I'd probably stick my money in more often than not.
Also, the villain is always the bigest variable in a situation like this. Do we know our villian? If not, it's passable, but what's stopping them from having JJ here? That's a hand a lot of people hate, right? So by playing in it this way they completely eliminate any tough decisions in the hand, which is makes it a feasible play to make in such an important tournament.
If we know our villian then it should be an easy decision. If we know he's capable of spazzing about with silly Ace rags then fist-pump call, ifwe know he's a super nit/really good player it can be laid down.
So in answer to your question, I would say it quite possibly is a profitable one, but you need to know your opponents stupidly well to be able to do it. You need to know that they can fold AK or QQ in that spot, and you need to know that they wont get annoyed when you keep constantly doing it and end up calling with ATC just becuase thats the only way to shut you up. And one final argument to that, if the blinds are 10/20 for the first level and you keep risking your 2k stack to win the 30 chips in the blinds and lets say for arguments sake an 80 chip raise, you're giving yourself an awful price to succeed. Finally, even if you pound that through for one whole level (by which time you're going to get caught very soon) you may have only increased your stack by 25% when you don't even hold 1% of the chips in play.
".......And one final argument to that, if the blinds are 10/20 for the first level and you keep risking your 2k stack to win the 30 chips in the blinds and lets say for arguments sake an 80 chip raise, you're giving yourself an awful price to succeed. Finally, even if you pound that through for one whole level (by which time you're going to get caught very soon) you may have only increased your stack by 25% when you don't even hold 1% of the chips in play......"
I like that.
And there you have it. Mega-high-risk v insanely low return = a bad thing. You are guaranteed to be looked up pretty soon, too.
There's no short cut to playing the game properly.
In Response to Re: Tonight, I shall be mainly playing......:
Lol, & true.
To be fair, you were a little economical with quoting my words.
I did add...
"....My bad play, no excuses......"
Because it WAS a bad play, whatever way you look at it.
As you rightly say, in not so many words, this was a "faster-structured" Event - a different kettle of fish altogether, in fact.
The Betting was weird, & was what caused my error. I was pretty certain that the Original Re-Raiser had Air - I play him a lot. So I jammed to isolate him, only to find the Original Raiser calling all-in. (With Aces). Proof of my read was that my Re-Raiser Friend then CALLED all-in. With K-Ten.
Whatever way we cut this, it was stilll "unforced error" on my part.
Yeah, you did say it was a bad play, but it wasn't supposed to be a cynical post in terms of your bad play, as much as it was that it's easy for us to say we can fold QQ in this situ when we know after the hand that villain had AA, and that when we're in that position it's not so easy to do what we say we should.
However, as I said, I didn't know how the action went and on being made aware of it I understand that this is a different set of circumstances than to that of the QQ in the OP. [/spamming]
Would I do it again? Dunno, unlikely because he only had to hit the ace to win and I was on tilt at the time, but I do know I wouldn't call an all in with KK. Looking back, winning that hand took me off tilt and I've begun to rebuild my bankroll by dropping down a level.
1. Doubling up early on is nowhere near as important as doubling up late on.
2. 47% the board will produce an overcard to QQ so the villain didn't necessarily need aces.
Calling with QQ was a poor decision in my opinion. Though we've all done it.
one word fold,fold,fold!
oh thats three words
In velocity im all in with QQ there every time.
In a £120 sat, errr i fold faster than a very fast thing...
AS for Richard's comments about re-shoving all in early with silly hands... i've tried that, it doesn't work!
easy fold, just reminds me 1st hand in open sunday showdown, 1st hand 1st to act goes all in,i had note on him saying dumb idiot muppet,i had qq in bb i called bad call what he turn over? q3 off,i laugh until turn 3 river 3, and he had the cheek to say gg ul, lol u wonder how i get my chat banned?
Semi of vegas....I had QQ In big blind,Small blind raises to 90 (9 times the big blind) i call,flop comes Q68 he bets 120 i call,now i am putting him on big pair (Jakally) turn comes J ,he checks i check...(looking back i thought i was trapping him) river 5 , blank or so i thought.....i bet 400 he reriases the minimum, i go all in, he calls,........whats he got? 79 .......what can you say....i should have bet the turn...i should nt have gone all in...ouch....lol.......
cest la vie .....as they say......
You seem to get planty of them at lower levels.
Mind you, knowing my luck, if I'd had the aces I would have been turned over!
ha ha ha