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as for watchin me at Nl200 tonight, aint gonna happen but ill happily sit and have a game at Nl100 if u fancy it after the footy...think barcelona are gonna rip arsenal to shreds tonight but should be a crackin game!
This hand shows the importance of position also, as i think all the money is going in if you had position, although like doh says, i think you shoulda got more in on the turn by check raising or maybe betting out pot.
However, if you had raised preflop, i believe that you woulda stacked him, regardless of position. why?, cos your hand would then look like AA on the turn if you bet all three streets or possibly AK, KQ, . With trip 6s, on that board, i know i couldn't fold.
So, limping is not ideal, for the reasons that browndog stated, although i dont fully understand, no. 6, "advanced" pot control? can someone please explain?
Thanks for an excellent post Eagle, this has made my mind up that im going to try everything i can to eradicate limping from my game.
i hope this makes sense im not too good at the technical stuff lol
hoggers
And i dont think you butchered the hand, dont be so hard on yourself. you just didn't play it optimally, but i dont think there is any poker player in the world that plays EVERY hand optimally! And anyone that thinks they do isnt as good as they think they are.
it is important that we all discuss hands like this on the forum so we can all develop together regardless of what level of ability people are perceived as having and at what stage of learning this wonderful game we are.
playin Nl100 i had doubled my stack through the unlucky cottlad when i flopped trip 10's against his KK and stacked him. then won a few small pots and my amount at the table was around £260. I got dealt KK on the button, raised it up 3xbb (£4) got re-raised by the big stack in the bb (he had about £320) to £15 - i flat called this to try and disguise the strength of my hand. flop comes down something like 4 7 10 rainbow, he then check raised me. i went back over the top-he shoved all in! i kind of reluctantly called because i did fear a set of 10's (although the bet was a little strong and did look like he didnt want a call) but cards flip over and he shows Q high!! i take down a nice £520 odd pot!! is this the correct call though?? should i be layin this down?? i honestly dont know if i made the correct call here or not, a big part of my game i struggle with is spottin flopped sets. obviously it was the correct call on this occasion, but over time???
Obviously you won a decent pot and if you hadn't hit so hard then you've only wasted 50p. Often however you will get raised (2.50 or more) and potentially have to fold. A good play to have if you have a decent stack is to limp re-raise in this spot instead of limp call/folding. Really represents a big hand and gets the opponent thinking.
On your hand above there is no way you can fold KK on that board. If can't fold to feared sets all of the time.
"Advanced pot control" is being discussed elsewhere and only Brownndog can tell us exactly what he means by that.
With regard to "gaining a free card" this is a technique generally used when you have a draw after the flop in position.
If your opponent bets on a flop and you have a draw, you can fold (if you don't have the correct odds) or call or raise. The benefit of raising is that, if your opponent just calls your raise, it generally means that he will check to you on the turn. This means that, if you miss your draw, you can also check the turn and get to see the river "for free" in the hope that it will make your draw or give you a chance to bluff. The benefit of raising the flop is that it will generally cost you less than calling another bet from your opponent on the turn who may otherwise, if he puts you on a draw, generally make it too expensive to continue after the turn. The disadvantage is that it gives your opponent a chance to 3-bet you on the flop and price you out of the hand.
I would say that you can't make this play with a check-raise out of position since, if you check the turn, your opponent can still bet you off the hand.
Another advantage is that, against an opponent who is not aware of this style of play, it disguises your hand.