Advice please......

MAGGIHATS

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Hi "....I finished 14th, my name is STUPENDOUS and although I was pleased with my performance, I am slightly annoyed with myself for going out. I had about 178000 chips and raised 4times the blind 32000 with AK suited and chewy42310(who made the final table) went all in. I wasnt sure whether to fold and lose 32000 chips but still be in the tournament or go for it. As I had AK suited, I went 'all in'. Chewy had a pair of 7's and needless to say they held up and I went out. I know I would have made the final table had i won the hand, was my move understandable or reckless? I think Chewy was brave as I think I would have folded a raise with a pair of 7's. Regards....."
Posted by Tikay10

fold,fold and somemore... in my opinion, the worst hand to get carried away with is ''Suited Slick'' i mean if you had gone all in off the bounceand he called then, i would feel sorry for you; however you raise xtimes the BB and and Chewy goes all in, so what if you limped and he went all in? would you have called? i mean you could well have been up against the rockets for all you know. i say play ''slick'' suited or not always as off suit ; then you will not be carried away with its immense powers. I'm assuming if it was offsuit you would have chucked it as fast as it came too... well maybe not as fast but you would have chucked it either way. The amount of times you will loose a hand in that situation is 50% and at the mini bubble, it was a crude way to have played ''Ana''

GaryQQQ

100% call IMO, to win a tourney you're almost certainly going to have to win a coin-flip like this sooner or later. If you're happy just to get blinded out and maybe gain a few places on the leaderboard it's a fold, but when you're that deep and you want to win there's no time to sit around waiting all day for pocket AA or KK to shove with.

MrWh1te

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The amount of times you will loose a hand in that situation is 50% and at the mini bubble, it was a crude way to have played ''Ana''
Posted by MAGGIHATS

50%? 
Then its a certain call surely?

50% of the time you will end up with 15-18 BBs and be shoving any two cards,  and 50% of the time you will ahve the chips needed to take down a big win.  I am going for the stack every time.

And without running a calc, i am debating your 50% too.  The only 2 cards im scared off here are AA and KK, anything else we are 50% at WORST and possibly dominating. 

A call here is the only thing to do.

MrWh1te

Just lost AKs v JJ nearing bubble.  I hate karma!

STUPENDOUS

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My take on this? I do as he did - I'm not folding at that stage, in that spot, almost ever. He can just as easily have A-Q, A-J, or even be re-stealing with air. And if he has a pair, we are still even money. This is our chance to get a Tourney-winning stack, & I'm not backing down. I prefer, in an ideal world, to be the shover, or re-shover, as it increases my odds if I can force a fold, but we don't always have that luxury. But it's a very "sharp" structure at that stage, & whether we like it or not, we have to take our races at this stage. And to win Tourneys, we have to win our races. The longer a Tourney goes on, the bigger the Blinds are, the more powerful A-K becomes. I'm calling there every time. The other guys play, with the 7's? I'm not interested in what he does, or how or why he does it. We can't change HIS play, all we can do is optimise ours. It's not relevant, or helpful, to debate his play - it's OUR play which we have control over. For me, Mr Stupendous, you played it correctly.
Posted by Tikay10

thank you for your advice and everyone elses varied opinion. On the whole it seems most people, including your wise self, think i played it correctly, better luck next time. ....at least my conquerer chewy went on to win.

scrumdown

yes u was deep in the tourney i think right move  at the begining of a tourney no amount  of times i have gopne out of torneys with ak is unreal against a small pocket pair your only 30% chance of hitting ace or the king

Eyeman

In a BH at this stage it's an automatic call. I had the same in the Primo on Sunday in about 8th position. I called with the AK, and he had Js (he had been all in a few times, and so that widens his range). The AK held up, and I cashed well.
On the flip-side I was playing in the old 5-0 (what a great tournament - can we have it back?) I had AK. The week before I had bubbled (and it's a £250 bubble). There was a riase and a re-raise before it got to me. I folded, and DP Fitzgerald and Caspar couldn't believe their eyes, both pointing out that in a fast structure if you don't play AK, you might as well give up.
As it happens the 2 shovers (as they ended up) had AQ and 99. The 99 tripped up, and I'd have been left with a chip and a chair and little else.
The epitaph to this story is that i made the cash, and eventually won the tournament. Sometimes it's a gut thing (I know a raise and re-raise is different to the question above).