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Would you call or fold? Live game
Hey guys, this situation arose in a £30 + £3 tournament on Sunnday night at the Merchant City Gala Casino in Glasgow.
The effective stacks are 18,000 and the blinds are 50 and 100, it's the fourth hand of the tournament.
A full table of ten players with one player missing as he hadn't turned up yet. The dealer dealt out the hand and just after i look at my cards another player notices that the player who wasn't at the table hadn't been dealt a hand, therefore it was a misdeal and had to be dealt again.
The player two places to my left who had been quite vocal up to that point slammed down his pocket aces and went on something of a mini tirade at nobody in paticular.
The hand is redealt and i get AK of clubs and make a 3x raise, the player to my left calls, and the player two to my left shoves his whole stack into the middle without looking at his cards, it's folded round to me.
Simple question, do you take your AK suited to battle against a random hand for 180 BB with a caller still to act?
The effective stacks are 18,000 and the blinds are 50 and 100, it's the fourth hand of the tournament.
A full table of ten players with one player missing as he hadn't turned up yet. The dealer dealt out the hand and just after i look at my cards another player notices that the player who wasn't at the table hadn't been dealt a hand, therefore it was a misdeal and had to be dealt again.
The player two places to my left who had been quite vocal up to that point slammed down his pocket aces and went on something of a mini tirade at nobody in paticular.
The hand is redealt and i get AK of clubs and make a 3x raise, the player to my left calls, and the player two to my left shoves his whole stack into the middle without looking at his cards, it's folded round to me.
Simple question, do you take your AK suited to battle against a random hand for 180 BB with a caller still to act?
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For me it would depend on a few things, is there cash tables running that I could get in if I was busted. If I had got a lift from someone else and I had to wait for them to finish their tourney and there was no cash table, or I had no extra funds etc, I would fold.
Did anyone point out to him that they wouldnt have even been his cards had the dealer dealt correctly. If there is any chance of a misdeal, I will never look at my cards
For me, my biggest concern would be how sure I was that he hadn't looked at his cards. If he had looked and open shoved for 180BBs I am unsure of what I would do.
dont like callin with A hi normally,but if ur sure he hasnt looked and isnt related to the dealer ,think you got 2 call..is quite possible to lose tho...,
this is a live game !
I would actually be more inclined to fold in a live game this early for reasons stated above than I would online. Of course you have to take out of the equation that they havent looked at their hand.
Also, if I played live mtts every night, I would prob call, but as my casino visits are few and far between I would hate to bust out so early, however right or wrong it is.
edit - I read post slightly wrong. Was your stack 18k? If so I am always always folding this
So what did the first all inner have?
Live Poker dynamics are totally different to Online Poker, & as recreational players, we do & should approach affordable buy-in Live Poker differently.
It's a Snap-fold.
Next case.
As to the individual who threw a strop as to his "aces" in the misdeal, he has clearly yet to grow a brain or even assemble a modicum of intelligence, common-sense or the ability to see the situation in an adult or reasoned fashion.
As Omhoney pointed out, if there had NOT been a misdeal, he would not have had those Aces.
It's a grim state of affairs when our education system produces such individuals.
I wonder how he would cope in life if he really did have to face a little adversity? Like, real adversity.
Live Poker dynamics are totally different to Online Poker, & as recreational players, we do & should approach affordable buy-in Live Poker differently. It's a Snap-fold. Next case.
Posted by Tikay10
LOL WUT?
Poker is poker, it's just easier to get the long run online, meaning that when playing live we should be taking into account not only the structure of the comp+field standard but also the real life costs to us (like having to drive back home when you lose, how far you travelled to play etc etc).
It's still not a fold against a genuinely blind hand.
Doesn't mean 180bb's isn't alot to put in, but in general live turns into a massive crapshoot due to the blinds and how incorrectly people play the later stages, so the relative advantage of getting a massive stack and being able to open whenever you want against overly tight reshipping ranges is huge and will allow you to shoot for first. Depending on the frequency of the player two to your lefts re-raising range preflop you can be pretty happy that he wont be able to continue very often when he flat calls you initially.
If we're folding ace king to an any two reshove what are we calling with? Where is the cut off? Is Kings too weak because any ace has 30%?
I think this strategy section should look to give advice on optimal play and ignore factors such as travel time etc.
Beaneh. you need to read my reply properly, please. This is Live Poker, played by a recreational player, for fun. It changes the paramaters completely. I know you are a hard-nosed Pro, & very good at what you do, but most players are not, & we need to address their particular stance when replying.
Blackfish. One of THE most important skills in Live Poker is paying attention to what is happening around us, it is a HUGE asset to a "Live Poker" player, more so - MUCH more so, than in Online Poker. In fact, it applies to observation generally, because you clearly missed what the OP said.....(my enboldenment).
The hand is redealt and i get AK of clubs and make a 3x raise, the player to my left calls, and the player two to my left shoves his whole stack into the middle without looking at his cards, it's folded round to me.
What hand do you put the flat-caller on? Do you know, or think, they may also call? If they do, what range of hands can you put them on? Do we really need to take a flip (against the flat-caller) at this stage? In my case, the answer is "NO". Because I expect to cash in this Tourney, (because it is Live, where the standard of play is "mixed" at best) and to do so, I do NOT need to take a flip this early. The benefit of an early double-up in such a comp is also dubious. IMO, of course.
Why? because this is a game of skill where i would like to play some flops and turns, i dont want to CALL ALL IN early with only ace high, with another player still in the pot too. If we call here, we might as well play bingo, roulette, or another non skill game. sorry, but i want to play some poker. Im only calling with AA or KK in this spot.
Even if we get called we still have good equity against anything other than AA/KK. I think if you are going for the win outright rather than just to cash its a very easy call tbh. Also getting an early double up is a massive advantage imo (though it depends on your playing style I guess).