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Why Oh Why Oh Why??
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The "directors" probably don't monitor to the granularity you believe, and are as much interested in maintaining a happy customer base, than trying to manufacture tiny margins. 6 seater format over 10 seater format, bigger rake vs happier customers. Sky, as a 100s of million ££ organisation, are probably infinitely more concerned with keeping you as a customer than anything else...
Am sure Sky(poker) would welcome suggestions and would introduce 10 seaters and different structures to keep their customers happy and people would play?
Why not try via - community suggestions - and then moan if they don't implement? (Apologies if you have already tried this)
Regards, Dan
Is it just me, or are WE all (swear) idiots playing on this site, how long are Sky Poker going to keep taking the (swear) out of us .... It's not as if they don't have the ability or know how in the technical department, so 'Why oh Why' is EVERY tournament on here 6 seaters, whats wrong with giving the players a variety and putting some proper 10 seater tournaments on ... I'll tell you why, they want fast games fast turnover, where the range of hands being played are much wider, enabling it to be 'crap-shoot' poker, you only have to listen to the analysts to realise, with their talk of, 'get it in' and 'shove' ?? They (The Company) are obviously not interested in putting on tournaments with a structure that enables a decent game, it's all geared for 'FAST TURNOVER' and has been from the very start .. and don't be thinking 'deep stack' 6 seaters is good structure (jeez) ??. Don't get me wrong I actually like fast games sometimes, when I don't have time for a long session on the computer but if I want to play a proper 10 seater tournament for the evening, then I'm forced to play on other sites, who give you the chance to play the same kind of games that are played in Casino structured tournaments , 10 seaters !... Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !! You only have to see or know, the amount of good players who over the last 18 months have either left or don't play here much to realise, Sky Poker have got things wrong. Oh they'll tell you, traffic is up, but there not the figures include 'bingo games' and 'Vegas games' ... You only have to look how the guaranteed tournaments have been reduced and overlays keep happening on their 8 00 TV games... Ultimately in my mind it's either, greedy directors who want fast games or bad advice on what the customer want in the way of online poker..!! And in my opinion the jury is out on that one, I dont know !! Ok 'mods' quick before the 'directors' reads this, send this thread to 'area 51 or the 'bin'Benny,
Posted by bennydip2
The "directors" probably don't monitor to the granularity you believe, and are as much interested in maintaining a happy customer base, than trying to manufacture tiny margins. 6 seater format over 10 seater format, bigger rake vs happier customers. Sky, as a 100s of million ££ organisation, are probably infinitely more concerned with keeping you as a customer than anything else...
Am sure Sky(poker) would welcome suggestions and would introduce 10 seaters and different structures to keep their customers happy and people would play?
Why not try via - community suggestions - and then moan if they don't implement? (Apologies if you have already tried this)
Regards, Dan
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It's not as if they don't have the ability or know how in the technical department,
so 'Why oh Why' is EVERY tournament on here 6 seaters, whats wrong with giving the players a variety and putting some proper 10 seater tournaments on ...
I'll tell you why, they want fast games fast turnover, where the range of hands being played are much wider, enabling it to be 'crap-shoot' poker, you only have to listen to the analysts to realise, with their talk of, 'get it in' and 'shove' ??
They (The Company) are obviously not interested in putting on tournaments with a structure that enables a decent game, it's all geared for 'FAST TURNOVER' and has been from the very start ..
and don't be thinking 'deep stack' 6 seaters is good structure (jeez) ??.
Don't get me wrong I actually like fast games sometimes, when I don't have time for a long session on the computer but if I want to play a proper 10 seater tournament for the evening, then I'm forced to play on other sites, who give you the chance to play the same kind of games that are played in Casino structured tournaments , 10 seaters !...
Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !!
You only have to see or know, the amount of good players who over the last 18 months have either left or don't play here much, to realise Sky Poker have got things wrong.
Oh they'll tell you, traffic is up, but it's not !! The figures include 'bingo games' and 'Vegas games' ... You only have to look how the guaranteed tournaments have been reduced and overlays keep happening on their 8 00 TV games...
Ultimately in my mind it's either, greedy directors who want fast games or bad advice on what the customer wants in the way of online poker..!!
And in my opinion the jury is out on that one, I dont know !!
Ok 'mods' quick before the 'directors' reads this, send this thread to 'area 51 or the 'bin'
The fields are generally quite small despite the tournaments being promoted regularly.
When the majority of MTTs were changed to 10-seater, there was an enormous wave of complaint on this forum.
The tournaments that you mention may have smaller numbers of players but the overall number of hands played on this site is increasing. The obvious conclusion from this would be that the majority of players prefer to play other types of games.
So, basically, your argument seems to hold no water whatsoever.
All these moaning threads are boring and ultimately repetitive! It's like u look for an issue that's not there and decide it's gonna be ur weekly moan that we all have to read.
It is a shame there are not more 10 seater games or even higher volumes of other sit n go games. Other sites do have 10, 20 and 30 player 10 seater sng's that seem to rattle off and a fast rate, so there is always a game to play. Most people on SKY seem to be playing tournament games. When you see that there are only 2000 people online and 700 are in just one tournament, you can se how the site and players are geared. I love the site and the tv programme, but I know where you are comming from, it is very frustrating playing here.
I don't know why the volume of players is so much smaller than other sites. But on the other hand if there were 10000 players on line at any one time would it still feel like the sky poker we all know ??
Tough one !! I can't seem to win here, where as I can on other sites, but I like the chat, setup and Richard Orford (lol)
Hang in there
Perhaps sky could look into having an 8pm main event/tourny with this type of structure and guaranteed prize pool. I for one would definately give it my vote.
After 7pm I don't see any 10 seater tournies, so again, perhaps sky could look at dropping a couple more in and see how they go.
Not entirly sure I agree with how you have made your point Benny but I do agree with the 10 seater toury structure............They are Great.
As Trev points out, you try finding a 10 seater tournament here after 7 00 or 8 00 ,,
On another point, had I not had a 'MOAN' as you call it, about the backlog of points in the system of long standing players here, they wouldn't have had a chance of playing in the April Vegas 1100 game.
I've had messages here and in the PM thanking me for pushing that thread.
Also, if and when I need you to tell me where to play, I'll ask, someone who knows what their talking about ..
However, my point - which I am certain is matched by many on this forum - is the way u do moan constantly (and if picky, in the wrong sections). Once an issue has been slightly resolved, u move onto another one. Look at the number of responses to another 'moaning thread' by AJS about cash tables.......His is constructive and meaningful to many players who choose to play on this site.
Ur post regarding ur birthday cake was ur first positive opening thread for a long time. Happy birthday by the way.
Three 10 seater Guaranteed tournaments in place of Bounty Hunters around the times of 8 30, 9 30 and 10 30 ... blind levels could be 10mins
£10 +1 with 5 places paid ..example if only 30 runners turned up, Sky's profit would still be £10
130
75
56
35
24
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£5 +.50p .. 5 places paid (same as above)
65
37
28
18
12
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£2.50 +.25p .. 5 places (same as above)
33
18
14
9
6
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The above is based on 30 players guaranteed 5 places paid ... now after 7.30pm and with Guarantee of £200 , £100, and £50 I'm sure the turnout would be more .........
However I'm sure Vince and Phil know better
You Think So ???
On this note, I'm sure they fiddled with the format for the deepies a few months ago between 6 and 10 seaters and the overall response from the players was that the 6 seaters were much more popular - hence why Sky tend to stick with them in general.
Is this a 'DELILAH' thread???.......(maybe only Stoke fans will get this!)
"I mean seriously who wants a, "sleepystack" ? ...with 15 or 20 min levels ..It hasn't worked because it's slow and boring ...
If as I said, 10 seater, the levels at 10 mins with a guarantee ( 5 places paid) £200 for £10+1 or £50 for £2.50 +25p
Here's the thing, it's a winning formula because it's not going to be toooo slow in the early stages but gives value for money, and a chance of cashing for all by paying 5 from 30 ..
It's OK 'fishywishy', I'm a newbee to poker , so I have no real knowledge of the game, I bow to your superior knowledge ... well said ......................
However where did I say as you said, I think 6 seater deep stacks are a crap-shoot, your missing the whole point of the thread, oh and welcome to the forum
It's not as if they don't have the ability or know how in the technical department,
so 'Why oh Why' is EVERY tournament on here 6 seaters, whats wrong with giving the players a variety and putting some proper 10 seater tournaments on ...
I'll tell you why, they want fast games fast turnover, where the range of hands being played are much wider, enabling it to be 'crap-shoot' poker, you only have to listen to the analysts to realise, with their talk of, 'get it in' and 'shove' ??
Two things are happening here, either as I said, the 'directors' of the company want to keep things the way they are, enabling fast turnover, or they are being badly advised as to what the customer really wants !!
I think you might find the customer wants 6 seater tournaments im sure it was discussed in a thread last year. You may well find your in the minority Benny.
As for good players leaving the site thats always going to happen, a man of your experience should know this its normal for decent players to move on to other sites. Do you think the new players coming to the site cant play? Ive spoken to 2 players this week that are new to the site and are decent players with over 10 years of poker behind them. Its a revolving door im sure Sky wont lose sleep over it.
Very True Tallboy, but then I'm always in the minority ... So nothing changed there then
But you're right Benny - more 10-max, and maybe some 8-max, tourneys would give us punters some more choice.
anyways just to prove I'm no one trick pony ..
I still play the shootouts sometimes and ...
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You bring a great deal of humour to this site Benny and I for one read all of your post's unlike some which bore me to death. Having said that you do seem as if you have issues with Sky Poker for what reason im not quite sure. As Phil has said it comes across as your always moaning over something, this site in my opinion is better than any other for listening to its customers and majority rules! Try telling that to Gordon Brown!
Good Luck at the tables.