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3bet pot, flop straight, scary turn - what to do?
Villain is a decent reg.
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First question would be do people think this is a decent move?
Second question is, do you bet the turn, if so - what size?
im putting villian on pocket pair jacks or above the check on the flop and turn looks like hes sitting on aces or kings and is waiting for you to shove all in the club worries you but if this guy is a good reg would he have called a near £10 raise fishing for the flush a pot size bet puts him all in and thats the only move for me.
the fact you are calling him the villian makes me think hes actually got pocket 5s and hits the quads or house on the river.
Wow, what a situation, great hand to post.
I havent got a clue......
Will await the answer (to the question, not the result of the hand) keenly might save me 300 quid a week
EDIT - watched a video this morning by daniel neg - about small balling - I think it was based mainly on tournys, but could apply here.
Think as you have position, you could check behind, and call a river value bet, or indeed value bet the river yourself if the river is a non-club and villain checks.
He listed loads of reasons why.....amongst the,......
You dont get buffed by a worse hand as you control the pot size so you can afford to call on the river.
You extract value from worse hands (overpairs) who may well value bet the river.
You avoid having to guess your opponents hand.
He reckons its worth getting out drawn on a few occasions to avoid tournament bullets (or i guess here, its 'stack bullets' if there is such a thing)
So if your up against QQ/KK/AA with 1 club, sometimes checking behind, will allow oppo to river the flush, but his argument is this is easy to spot, and therefore, its an easy fold alot of the time (oppo dependant).
Dunno if it makes sense, will do better to me later when I put it into practise in some real game situations.
Checking here can get alot of worse hands to value bet the river?
Whereas betting and allowing better hands, and worse hands, to shove, gives me a situation where Im pretty much guessing?
Am I way off here applying a tourny theory vid to a cash game in this sorta situation? - Is it get it in, if he turned a flush take your medicine and re-load?
And is checking the turn in tournaments less insane than it would be in cash games? - in your opinion?
@OP: Villain's stack = Pot at this point, so if you make a bet on the turn then the hand (should) end here, whether it's because one of you folds or all the money is in there. So I guess you need to ask yourself whether or not we're happy playing for villain's stack in this situ. I'm not, so i'm with DOHHHH, i'm checking behind then calling most bets on the river.
And I like the 3-bet pre, we've got position with a decent HU hand (have the best hand a lot of the time). If they want to call a 3-bet OOP, gl to them.
Also i would not implement strategy's from tourny videos to cash very often, the pros play smallball mainly in tournys (although they do use this strategy in cash) as they dont want to risk their whole tournament when they can outplay players in small pots, Phil Helmuth said he would not go allin with AK if the other player went allin with AQ and turned his cards over at the start of the tourny as his skill advantage is so much higher than anyone else at the table (where in a cash game he would obviously call.)
That line is still debatable even then as there is half the effective stacks in the pot already so im quite happy taking the pot down now and not giving them a free card to hit a flush or even bluff us off the best hand if a club hits the river.
I think posting hands, helps improve players games but each to their own, good luck at the tables.
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What 'reads' would you need to have to justify a 3 bet here with ace 4?
Give me some characteristics/tendancies of a player you would 3 bet here........
"Design your own villain"
Kept believing I was setting the hand up where I do it with AA but it never came
Yeh it wasn't always blind on blind, but it seemed most times I opened, he would come into the pot, wether it be a call, or mainly a raise.
I won a couple of hands v him.
He obviously targetted me as a weak player at the table, never played him before, maybe he's seen me, or maybe he just knew I was playing higher than usual and wanted to put pressure on me - maybe he even had a hand everytime, but doubt it.
Most of the time I just folded, as they were hands like 89s, small pairs, I 4 bet with AK and he folded.
Didn't go on for long, he left, was a shame was enjoying the challenge at that level which I dnt normally get playing schoolboy abc poker at 15/30 and 20/40.
I had to keep raising with these hands, so that when the big hand did come along, I'd get action. I guess if Id folded to all his 3 bets prior to 'big hand' though, when I continue it's gonna set alarm bells goin and probably wont get much business post flop.
How do u cope with this? - Tighten up ur raising range against this type of player? - or continue and speculate with the low pairs, suited cons hands, OOP against a cerial 3 better?(I wouldnt fancy playing OOP against him)
Was only 100bb's deep when he was at the table, things got better when he left