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Did I play this bad or just unlucky..
Not sure if I can play this hand any differently, please let me know your views.. I put Villain on a flopped set...
| k88moss | Small blind | £1.00 | £1.00 | £221.55 | |
| rizo575 | Big blind | £2.00 | £3.00 | £148.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| GliterBabe | Raise | £8.00 | £11.00 | £490.99 | |
| PokerRyder | Fold | ||||
| Villian | Call | £8.00 | £19.00 | £503.88 | |
| gadgerno1 | Fold | ||||
| k88moss | Fold | ||||
| rizo575 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| GliterBabe | Bet | £16.00 | £35.00 | £474.99 | |
| Villain | Raise | £42.00 | £77.00 | £461.88 | |
| GliterBabe | Call | £26.00 | £103.00 | £448.99 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| GliterBabe | Check | ||||
| Villain | Bet | £54.00 | £157.00 | £407.88 | |
| GliterBabe | Raise | £158.00 | £315.00 | £290.99 | |
| Villain | Call | £104.00 | £419.00 | £303.88 | |
| River | |||||
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| GliterBabe | All-in | £290.99 | £709.99 | £0.00 | |
| Villain | Call | £290.99 | £1000.98 | £12.89 | |
| GliterBabe | Show |
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| Villain | Show |
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| Villlain | Win | Flush to the Jack | £999.18 | £1012.07 | |
Comments
or were you trying to pot control on later streets should the board pair up...
and that is why you don't put the showdown cards in HHs people
Bad beat, you know you did nothing wrong, post some decent hands etc. but a lot less polite.
FWIW I shove turn but only because this is profitable at 4NL. At that level I check the river and cry like a baby. ;-)
Q/ Is there EVER a case in cash, to say, right, the pot is big enough now, I dont care if I have the best hand, the pot is v big, the board is scary, I don't want to continue with the hand, so I will take it away now?
Am I gonna get crucified for this?
Im obv looking at the pot as a nl30 player and the money is effecting my thinking right?
My instinct reading it before reading any comments was, get him to fold on the turn - or if not, make him pay all he has to hit his draw, obv Im sure I hav the best hand, but so many rivers are gonna cost me the pot, plus the rest o my stack probably, coz the river becomes unfoldable unless the board pairs?
Is a shove stupid? I'd shove at nl30 but obv thats different, as top pair snap calls me.....
Yeh point taken, I sorta started with a question in my head and then tried to refer to the hand as an example - the pot isnt rly that big in terms of bb's.
I wud deffo shove though - but maybe thats so transparent at that level and is the play someone who wud make when they really don't know.
My initial question about a pot ever being big enough to just kill there and then and lose value - is a basic bankroll/scared money problem.
If he did shove the turn - the other guy shud fold right? and we don't want him to? - do we?
This getting value thing really is doing my hed in and costing me, leading to outdraws, horrid spots, and if anything, losing me value expecting bluffs to continue. I really can't get my head around it.
One thing thats inproved is Im value betting alot of rivers when checked to me with weaker hands, even thats going really well, Its getting value down the streets that I'm struggling with. Extracting on the river is kinda safe, it feels safe, coz If I get raised, I only have to call one....
Im a rubbish turn player - pretty confident with the rest of my game atm.
Hapened 2 mins ago, in 2 minds, as Im oop, as Id hate to face a raise, and wud much rather c/c than have to bet fold....
U v betting here? notes....1 sec...
"Called down the streets with 2 overs and checked behind the river"
"limp raised pre flop, with ace ten"
"Called an utg raise I squeezed from BB and he shoved for 90xbb with AJ"
What u thinking on this river, is there a case to value bet
He cud have the 2 overs again, he cud have missed diamonds, maybe Ten and a picture.....
Is this where u add his range up and figure out if u beat more of the hands he cud have than not?
Or is it different OOP?
If I bet fold, Its gonna cost me the size of a value bet, plus the pot, so v bet of £7-10ish - to get value from the hands he cud call with that I can beat....
So if he raises me , I lose a total of £23ish.
Check call, means I lose the same if I'm behind, but find out for sure wether I'm beat or not.......
I might lose out on £7-10 of value, but so many times I recover this value by winning the main pot, and maybe catching a bluff?
I hate bettin and allowing myself to be bluffed, when for the same price, I can get my answer, and If its the wrong one, Im losing the same as I would anyway......
......check call???
How about in position? - deffo make a bet then right?
Surely u have to play for hours with a player to get this info?
I only 2 table, and check HH on any pot of substance and take notes, especially the ones Im not in.
I rarely find info like this.(maybe coz nobody does anything apart from check/call/donk bet/ and shove at nl30)
Also how many times must you see a player make a certain action, before u can pencil it in and rely on it as a solid read?
When you'r putting someone on a hand range throughout a hand.....
Say he has raised from 2nd position and is a TAG player.....
Hs opening 4x with any pair, suited pics, an occasionally mid con's.
The flop is 2 5 8 rainbow, he c bets, and u float from the button with a hand that doesnt really matter, say AK.
The turn is a 9, brings a flush draw.
He bets again. U call.
Turn pairs the 2 which is a blank unless he has quad 2's.
He bets again.
Is the hand range u have him on on the turn, still the hand range u have him on now, or is it constantly changing according to what he does?
I trying to explain what I mean and not doing it well. If you have him on a range of hands on the turn, is this the same range u sud be basing ur decision on on the river, no matter what his action is??
Surely if every action he makes, defines his range in your own mind, it will be too easy for him to be deceptive and run over me?
k k 2 2 on the board, and the river brings a k and he shoves the river, now the range of hands u can have him on here is the last king, or pocket aces - but prior to the river, he cud have a wide range of hands?
Wheres the line come in between percieved and actual range come in?