SPT Grand Final Structure

SPT

In response to requests, here it is

10,000 starting chips

45 minute clock

2 days

LEVEL	SMALL BLIND	BIG BLIND	ANTE
1	25	50
2	50	100
3	75	150
4	100	200
5	100	200	25
6	150	300	25
7	200	400	50
8	300	600	50
9	400	800	100
10	600	1200	100
11	800	1600	200
12	1000	2000	200
13	1200	2400	300
14	1500	3000	300
15	2000	4000	400
16	3000	6000	600
17	4000	8000	800
18	5000	10000	1000
19	6000	12000	1000
20	8000	16000	1500
21	10000	20000	2000
22	12000	24000	2500
23	15000	30000	3000
24	20000	40000	4000
25	25000	50000	5000
26	30000	60000	6000
27	40000	80000	8000
28	50000	100000	10000
29	60000	120000	12000
30	75000	150000	15000

BrownnDog

Nice structure

MaundyD1

is there a certain amount of levels that will be played on day 1 or will it be played down to a certain amount of players?

FlashFlush

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Nice structure
Posted by BrownnDog

+1

 WD Rich, cant wait

Gavinxxxx

Great Job !

Hope i qualify

SwansFC

Curious as to why this structure couldn't of been used in previous spt's through the year but is for this one?

FlashFlush

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Curious as to why this structure couldn't of been used in previous spt's through the year but is for this one?
Posted by SwansFC

Final is a 2 day event...

Machka

Great structure, all pointy like pylons, I bet Tikay approves.

SwansFC

Then why couldn't they make the other spt's 2 day events? Most people stayed till the sunday anyway

mr_mbro

Hi Swans
As i see it, the main reason is cost.
Most people would have to stay in a hotel for a second night or face a long travel back home, from some of the venues.
Also the cost of the venues, to Sky Poker.
I can and have played most of the venues in the Spt(except Swansea for various reasons), but i would not wish to waste my holiday entitlement on travelling back from an event. Before you question why i am play the final then, i am on holiday for the week after the tourney. Plus the cost of stopping a second night would run to about £100(hotel, drink, food)any other tourney costs.
A lot of players, who are knocked out on day1, stick around for the day2 and will play sit n gos, then play the Sunday night tourney.

I for one think the SPT final should remain as the only 2 day(grown up) event, but i would also like to see, for next year,(if it goes ahead), the structure change to allow a bit more play in the earlier stages.
I say this as i believe it was a bit like a turbo tourney in the early stages and then slowed down. Ithink you could remove levels from the middle of the tourney, to achieve the same desired finishing time, but give all players the value of lasting longer than this year. 

col

SPT

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is there a certain amount of levels that will be played on day 1 or will it be played down to a certain amount of players?
Posted by MaundyD1

It will play a number of levels, 9 or 10 from memory..to around 50 players remaining

MP33

how many players altogetor?

Gavinxxxx

Not sure if im right here, but if the tourny fills, will that make it £40,000 ? and if it does fill how many places get paid from 200 runners ?

mr_mbro

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Not sure if im right here, but if the tourny fills, will that make it £40,000 ? and if it does fill how many places get paid from 200 runners ?
Posted by Gavinxxxx

Hi Gavin,
Yes, every £200 fee goes into the prize pool. The guarantee is £25k, so if only 100 players turn up that is paid out, but if the £25k figure is not reached Sky will look into whether they can sustain the tourney or move it to a quieter time of the year, although when they originally put it on the calendar that weekend was clear(not the case now). Last year the final prize pool was about £56,000 and i think the top 10% get paid.

You have to look at it from a buisness perspective, if Sky Poker made the guarantee £40k(with the cap at 200 players) and only 100 players attend, that would be £15k overlay(not good), so the guarantee is at a level they know can and will be reached and if more turn up then it is added value to the tourney.

I know the min number of players will be reached and with 5 weeks to go the prize pool will be bigger than £25k.

col

FlashFlush

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Not sure if im right here, but if the tourny fills, will that make it £40,000 ? and if it does fill how many places get paid from 200 runners ?
Posted by Gavinxxxx

As Col said, I believe its about 10%. Last year we had 250max, and we were over filled so actually had alternates and ended with over that figure if I am correct?? My prediction is it will be about 3-4 hours into Day2 before the bubble bursts.
From memory top prize was 17k, so worth winning

TheBouncer

I've bitten the bullet and spent most of my work bonus money to enter this as my first live SPT event and am looking to enjoy the experience without any expectation of how well or badly I do!! I'm pretty comfortable playing live with my friends and managing chips, but I am curious to know how the 10,000 will be represented as a stack of chips (looking at the ante - up to level 8 before a change?). Can anyone advise so I can get some practice in, albeit quicker clock, for the next poker evening I organise. I am guessing perhaps:
20x25 = 500
40x100 = 4000
11x500 = 5500
Thanks

tennispair

thats a pretty nice structure for a 2 day event. real shame i cant play

Gavinxxxx

I was wondering what the chip stacks would be aswell, i.e how many 100 chips etc

mr_mbro

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I've bitten the bullet and spent most of my work bonus money to enter this as my first live SPT event and am looking to enjoy the experience without any expectation of how well or badly I do!! I'm pretty comfortable playing live with my friends and managing chips, but I am curious to know how the 10,000 will be represented as a stack of chips (looking at the ante - up to level 8 before a change?). Can anyone advise so I can get some practice in, albeit quicker clock, for the next poker evening I organise. I am guessing perhaps: 20x25 = 500 40x100 = 4000 11x500 = 5500 Thanks
Posted by TheBouncer

Hi

If can remember from last year, i think there was a 5000 chip, a couple of 1000 chips, a few 500 chips then the rest made up of 100s, 50, 25s.


col

TheBouncer

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : Hi If can remember from last year, i think there was a 5000 chip, a couple of 1000 chips, a few 500 chips then the rest made up of 100s, 50, 25s. col
Posted by mr_mbro

Thanks Col. If that's the case, what is the etiquette for asking if I could break the 5000 into smaller denominations......at least for the first hour. :-)  I guess having fewer chips on the table encourages people to bet bigger and knock people out quicker....

Unknown

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I was wondering what the chip stacks would be aswell, i.e how many 100 chips etc
Posted by Gavinxxxx

A 10,000 start stack normally consists of;

4 x 25
4 x 100
5 x 500
7 x 1000


Mix and match depending on how many chips the club has of each denomination

mr_mbro

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : Thanks Col. If that's the case, what is the etiquette for asking if I could break the 5000 into smaller denominations......at least for the first hour. :-)  I guess having fewer chips on the table encourages people to bet bigger and knock people out quicker....
Posted by TheBouncer

I would doubt they would do it

Gavinxxxx

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : I would doubt they would do it
Posted by mr_mbro

Lol i bet if you was aloud to pick your own chips, theres bound to be someone who just asks for x400 25chips

TheBouncer

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : A 10,000 start stack normally consists of; 4 x 25 4 x 100 5 x 500 7 x 1000 Mix and match depending on how many chips the club has of each denomination
Posted by CoxyLboro

The minimalist approach is noted, but if only 4x25 each, once the ante kicks in there's gonna be folks swapping amongst themselves or asking for change from the pot! Ok some people will be out by that stage and those remaining will have more than 4 on average! Personally I would be a bit worried if a casino did not have sufficient supply of chips to go around, yes I understand that there will be 200 of us but this is a professional joint right? (rhetorical question). Maybe there is a nearby chip shop, mines a spam fritter if anyone's going there......please excuse my warped sense of humour...... :-)

mr_mbro

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : The minimalist approach is noted, but if only 4x25 each, once the ante kicks in there's gonna be folks swapping amongst themselves or asking for change from the pot! Ok some people will be out by that stage and those remaining will have more than 4 on average! Personally I would be a bit worried if a casino did not have sufficient supply of chips to go around, yes I understand that there will be 200 of us but this is a professional joint right? (rhetorical question). Maybe there is a nearby chip shop, mines a spam fritter if anyone's going there......please excuse my warped sense of humour...... :-)
Posted by TheBouncer

Hi

I wouldnt worry m8, this is THE most professional card room ive been in(and ive been to some of the big uns in vegas). Yes there is a certain amount of chip changing on the tables but thats part of the dealers job as well and with the spirit of the tourney NO ONE refuses. DTD has 40 odd tables and run some BIG events.

I think the main reason is that the more smaller denomination chips that are in play impacts the amount of space required on the tables, it is easier, for the dealer and other players to identifiy the size of bets or pots.

col

Amarie

Pardon my ignorance if this is an obvious question but... why are there two levels at 100/200

Thanks

SolarCarro

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Pardon my ignorance if this is an obvious question but... why are there two levels at 100/200 Thanks
Posted by Amarie

Its the start level for the antes mum

100/200 level then 100/200/25, turns a good structure into a great structure!!

Dave

FlashFlush

In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure:

In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : The minimalist approach is noted, but if only 4x25 each, once the ante kicks in there's gonna be folks swapping amongst themselves or asking for change from the pot! Ok some people will be out by that stage and those remaining will have more than 4 on average! Personally I would be a bit worried if a casino did not have sufficient supply of chips to go around, yes I understand that there will be 200 of us but this is a professional joint right? (rhetorical question). Maybe there is a nearby chip shop, mines a spam fritter if anyone's going there......please excuse my warped sense of humour...... :-)
Posted by TheBouncer

Dont worry about the chip quantity/value. As Col said its the dealers job to give "change" when needed. As far as running out of chips goes, LOL don't worry about that, DTD probably have enough chips to cover their card room 3 times over.

2 bits of advice I would give you as a newbie.

1. If you get into a big hand or potentially a big hand with another player ask them how many chips they have, it can easily be disguised by having 2 or 3 big denomination chips or alot of 25's etc etc.

2. ALWAYS verbally say what you are going to do, whether it is raise/call. If the bet is 100 and you want to raise to 500 and just put a 500 chip in that counts as a CALL only, because you have put 1 chip in and not said raise. Also on the other side if you do just want to call and need change, make it clear to the dealer you are only calling the bet.

Goodluck, you will enjoy it... remember don't act out of turn and say what your going to do or you may be shot. (by Tikay)

Amarie

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : Its the start level for the antes mum 100/200 level then 100/200/25, turns a good structure into a great structure!! Dave
Posted by SolarCarro

see jamielou i told you that was why - soooo obvious!!

Thanks Dave

See you in Nottingham

jamielou

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In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : see jamielou i told you that was why - soooo obvious!! Thanks Dave See you in Nottingham
Posted by Amarie

Yes mother, that's what it was! Oh silly me! lol

See you in NOOTingham?

TheBouncer

In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure:

In Response to Re: SPT Grand Final Structure : Dont worry about the chip quantity/value. As Col said its the dealers job to give "change" when needed. As far as running out of chips goes, LOL don't worry about that, DTD probably have enough chips to cover their card room 3 times over. 2 bits of advice I would give you as a newbie. 1. If you get into a big hand or potentially a big hand with another player ask them how many chips they have, it can easily be disguised by having 2 or 3 big denomination chips or alot of 25's etc etc. 2. ALWAYS verbally say what you are going to do, whether it is raise/call. If the bet is 100 and you want to raise to 500 and just put a 500 chip in that counts as a CALL only, because you have put 1 chip in and not said raise. Also on the other side if you do just want to call and need change, make it clear to the dealer you are only calling the bet. Goodluck, you will enjoy it... remember don't act out of turn and say what your going to do or you may be shot. (by Tikay)
Posted by FlashFlush

Thanks for the helpful advice Flash. I did read about the call with the large value chip on the DTD rules if you dont verbally say otherwise, it was certainly a new one on me. I'm usually pretty vocal in games with mates at home so am confident I'll speak up appropriately as required and hopefully will not make any faux pas.

As a random aside, I uploaded a cartoon image of my name "TheBouncer" on my profile a few days ago but I have just noticed that the Sky software has nicely cropped the edges of the my image so it now looks like it says "Dunce"......maybe that is an omen for my live appearance :-s