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Weird things from wsop! & Questions....
All the players getting massages while they play? w tf is that about? - Is this available to all the players?If Penguin7 wanted to buy himself one how much wud it be? and cud he chose which bird he wanted? lol
Phil Hellmuth - WHY does he arrive late??? Surely this is damaging his chances? (from no chance of winning, to absolutely no chance of winning)Isn't the idea of a deepstack to allow MORE play?
Whyyyy does he dress up like a plonker???? And check call 3 streets with middle set on a dry board? How was he EVER good? (if anyone has any links to footage of him playing well years ago, I wud appreciate a pm)
Never seen it before, but the 2nd best player at last years ME, Darvin Moon, checked the nuts on the river when he was last to act. He then got a penalty for doing so! Did anyone else know this rule? Does it apply in UK casinos?
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Yeah I'm aware of that rule. I believe it's there to 'create action'. Not sure if it's a rule in UK cardrooms (never played live).
Massages at Tables.
It's always been a popular feature & available in the USA, & in Mainland Europe. Only quite recently has it been available in UK Venues, & then only occassionally.
You pay by the minute, & book sessions in 10 minute blocks, in Caesars in Vegas it's $2 per minute.
Many pros in the US have non-stop massages at the Table, 8 or 10 hours non-stop, that certainly includes Mr Esfandanaria (sp?), John Juanda, etc, & when at the WSOP-E last year, I noted John was having non-stop massage at the poker table.
At the Concord Card Club in Vienna, they do massages with "extensions", via an establishment right next door.
Offenders should be shot, every time, but almost never are.
Any player last to act who checks the nuts is clearly soft-playing/same villaging at best, & colluding at worst, no other explanation exists. In Darvin's case, I think it was a genuine mistake. He was not, imo, the 2nd best player at the 2010 WSOP, he was the player who finished 2nd.
He dresses like a plonker because he geets paid to do so, companies pay him sponsorship to this and it must pay extremly well for him to do it!!
Why does he arrive late? As you said it's deep stack so no need to get busy in the early levels - a lot of players do it but he is obiously the most publicised - the blinds are so little that it doesn't affect your stack and in a way these levels are the worst because if/when you raise you are guaranteed multi way action so sometimes it's better to do a "tikay" and sleep in for a few levels.
The Darvin Moon incident - I have no idea - maybe grandad can enlighten us.
Early Levels are populated by a lot of "less good" players, & it's very tough to play against serial-stations. Most of them are Busto by Level 3, though.
Not entirely related, & proves nothing, but I tend to do the same Online, & often don't sit-in until Level 4 or 5.
Live, though, I hate to miss a single hand, as I like to get to know everyone & have a natter. It's also MUCH easier to spot, physically, the really bad players when playing Live, just by their mannerisms, how they handle chips, cards, how they announce & implement their action, etc.
Yes iwant to be in with the fish, but this is a 7 day event. If i double up on day `1 great, but at the same time, i can lose it all on some suck out by some donk with A2 lol.
But then again if i double up whos to say Phi Ivey wont take it off me on day 2 or 3 anyways.
It is a funny one and i would say turning up late and wait on the lesser players going out and then taking it off the players who managed to take it off them in maybe the best option. Who knows? Maybe ill go 2 years in a row if i can become a good cash player and try both teqniques out. If im ever luckily enough ill let you know the differances i found.
MANY players do the same thing, for the simple & inescapable logic that you CANNOT win a Tourney in the early Levels, nor can you materially improve your chances of doing so. But you can lose it. Late in a well-structured Tourney, the BB often exceeds the starting stack, so an early 2xUp or 3xUp is almost irrelevant, & that's a well-known & accepted notion amongst Tourney players.
You can mock Mr Hellmuth all you want, but his "method" has won him 11 WSOP Bracelets, ALL of them in NLHE. I personally doubt he'll ever win another, but we can't (logically) say he does not know what he is doing.
Tikay why do you not see him wibnnimg another one. Ok i dont see him winning the main event but maybe a side braclet event />
The likely reward vs the likely gain (from getting involved early) is the equation you need to assess. I know some players who have never even addressed or even considered that equation! Go figure.
I have no issue if others disagree, it's each to their own.
I assume by "put pressure on other players (using your bigger stack) means pressing with a wider range of hands......It may surprise you to know that some of the more wily players have worked that out.
Broad as it's long, see?
He has ALWAYs been a late-starter, including when he won his 11 WSOP Bracelets. He will continue to be a late-starter (as will many others) for the reasons I explained.
Why?
1) Field sizes have increased dramatically, so greater variance ensues. NLHE WSOP Events used to have a few hundred runners, they have many thousands now.
2) The game has changed, as the value of money, & respect for it, has diminished. Calling for your life with (say) 7-7when staked or backed by someone else, as is now common practice, is easy, so the game is tougher.
There are still plenty of "soft" Bracelets in non NLHE games. "Soft" because the field sizes are much smaller, but crucially, the skill Level in many Variants is clearly far far higher than shove & hope NLHE. So he may grab a few of them, but thus far, he's shown no aptitude for anything except NLHE.
DOHHHH's point may be that his game is now outdated, & his time has passed. He may well be right, too. But we can't disrespect the game of a guy who has won more Bangles than anyone else. And if he offered you or me a free lesson, we'd bite his hand off.
You're right though its just best to do what you feel most comfortable with, I play cash games mostly and normally play quite laggy so got used to playing with a wide range pretty deep. But saying that in the wsop ME I would probably turn into a super nit for fear of shooting myself if I donked out early!
And i see. I understand you point fully. Maybe next yearSky could build up a team for these side events Tikay? see if any of us could compete?
You had a lot of chips, AND Position on me, & I knew what you were doing. So I limp-raised you frequently, because I know how players get early chips, & what players who get "early chips" do with them! You were "pressing" with air, & I was back-raising with air. I'd do it to ANY Tourney player who had early chips, never mind one who was as excellent as you.
Early chips align with a saying in life. Easy come, easy go. I LOVE players on my Table who have early chips.
Now & then - every 7 years on average - I'll get an AA v KK Double-Up early doors, so I then have to sit-out even longer.
"Modern" players disagree with this, which is fine by me. But they cannot say it's wrong, because they don't actually know. It's just a different way of approaching the game. Some might say - don't all get cross with me, please - it's a "thinking" approach.......
I can see where phil hellmuth comes from and tikay, in a tournament I prefer starting slow and getting busier when the blinds are higher, so often you see players run good for the first few levels then go card dead and not even make the final table, the first few levels are a recipe for disaster in deepstack tournaments with no raise being respected