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rebuys
sky you have to get rid of tourneyrebuys it's ruining the site i'm affraid
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REBUYS FTW!!!
Rebuys will continue, as will Freezeouts. Jack Spratt & his wife, & all that. They have not "ruined" the site, they have enhanced it, as some players do like them, & many lobbied for them.
It's an odd thing that those who do not like them, & are not obliged to play them, complain, whereas those who enjoy Rebuys never complain about Freezeouts. Poker players take some pleasing, as I've learned over many years, but it's fun trying!
I was anti-rebuy for over 10 years, but the way Sky Poker have structured the Rebuys & Add-Ons is superb, & my cash ratio in their Rebuys is good. I shall continue to play both Freezeouts & Rebuys, & I won't complain if others don't like them. After all, we are all entitled to play what we want, & I'd never dream of pouring cold water on those who enjoy different things to me.
POTW by Dohhh, who sums the debate up beautifully.
I can't resist good structures, & that's what the Rebuys give me - superbly playable structures.
My fave Tourney of the week is now the Friday ME Rebuy, & I cash in it almost every time I play it. I have worked out a strategy to maximise my play in these, & it works for me. In fact, I'm extremely surprised NOT to cash in it - it's that good.
But I know they are not everyone's cup of tea, & that's coolio. I don' mind people disliking them, not at all, but I find it rather sad they they object to them just because they don't like them. It's not like I object to Freezeouts!
Each to their own works for me.
Michael
+1 I do the same cause of my BRM i tend to play the Freerolls & £1-10 buy-in the only time i rebuy tho is if i'm running very good in freeroll then i buy 6000 chips for 50p as i would be going for the win as for the £1-10 i either cash or don't with no rebuy
still leaning on maxally/alan's side of view but as you say each to their own. prefer take on tikay non rebuy but you cant please everyone and i can understand why you have them as they do well and must be good for sky
Regards
John
I read on another forum the other day that you should treat a re-buy as 7 times the original buy-in. I don't think that is necessarily true on Skypoker as a lot of people seem to be reluctant to re-buy (which means if you have re-bought 3 or 4 times you need to get well into the cash to break even) but my guess is that you need to commit 5 times buy-in before you start. There is no reason why you shouldn't have 7k (2k+2k+3k) in chips once it goes into freezout i.e. lots of chips to play with!
It surprises me that people will try to keep onto their starting stack - you will just be bullied by anyone who plays the re-buy in the right way plus there are so many who don't do the add-on and I think it is almost mandatory to do so (3K chips for the price of 2K). I will add-on even if I am chip leader at the end of the re-buy period as it might make all the difference if somebody sucks out on you later.
I also think it's a great test of changing your speed during a tourney i.e. play lots of hands during the re-buy period given the correct odds (i.e. even though you know you don't have the best hand) and tighten up enourmously right after it turns into a freezeout.
It's amazing how, if you've been loose during the re-buy period, that during the freezout somebody tight will go all-in with a hand like A9 against your raise thinking you will have nothing. Great.
Saying all those +ve's - I don't think the speed/scary re-buys work as well as towards the end of the re-buy hour the re-buy is such a small multiple of the BB.
Multi-tabling when one is a re-buy doesn't work for me and is why I don't play the 9pm tourney as much as I'd like.
Cheers,
Ian
I never saw your Super Six Rebuy thread, hence I never answered, but I doubt I'd answered anyway, as we've had the debate a 100 times already, & your views won't change If I reply yet again. There is NO mandated person from Sky Poker to reply to such questions on here, the route if you wish an official response is Customer Care.
They are good/bad for solid Tourney play? I don't have any argument with either line, & don't recall ever having that debate. I just like to play poker to enjoy myself. So I play what I enjoy, & don't play what I don't. Personally, I think Velocity Tourneys & suchlike are crazy, but I'd never mock, complain about, or deride those who enjoy them. Why would I? I know, I'm an oddbod.....
You never saw anyone lobbying for rebuys? Alan, you need to remember one thing. I don't do porkies, not ever, not for anyone. People asked for rebuys, they asked for lots of things, Omaha, Rebuys, this that & the other. If you don't wish to believe me, or take my word at face value, too bad, I'm not going to search through a zillion Posts to prove my point. I'd prefer you did not suggest I'd be untruthful, please.
Debating is fine, I love it. But repeating the same line over & over again is not exactly debating, imo.
You don't like Rebuys. Fine, whats' the problem? Others do, what's the problem with that? (Rh).
I'll not respond further on your comments as to Rebuys if you don't mind.
Take care now.
My personal rule with Sky Poker Rebuys is to budget for 4 times the Entry Fee.
That is broken down thusly.....
Entry Fee = 1
Immediate Rebuy = 1
Accident Insurance = 1
Add-On = 1.
In recent weeks, I've amended that to three, by omitting the "Accident Insurance".
I applied a good deal of thought to this (poker players tend to be more sheep than shepherds, but it's good to think things through), & came up with my own strategy.
In essence, I take the Rebuy/Add-on as per Plan B (Omitting the Accident Insurance) & mostly (though not 100% SIT-OUT until after the Add-Ons are completed, only playing Monstas, or "free flops" in my Blinds. At that stage, I have some 60 or 80xBB's, & now, with the Blinds at 50-100 or whatever, I can try to apply my edge (if it exists....) in a well-structured Tourney. As a result, I cash in more Rebuys than I don't.
So, what I'm saying is, THREE times the Buy-in is my yardstick, or rule of thumb. So for a Tenner rebuy, if I can afford a £30 Freezey, it's much the same thing as to Bankroll.
Either way, good luck whether you play them or not.
I hate em - they may be ok at the higher levels to beat variance etc but at lower levels just gives the chancers more than 1 go.
I buy into £1-£3 tourneys not because i prefer em to the Primo etc its just because I cant AFFORD to play in the Primo. So my £2 buy-in is what I can afford, I am not competing on a level playing field as someone else has 4 times that as they can afford to part with 3 buy-ins.
Also promotes this sort of thing (real life example from the other day - my last ever re-buy) - Table is completely nuts ie all in with any better than 109o. I wait patiently for the hand get kk - and get all the chips in to find i'm up against (no lie) 94suited, A2o, 87o & 107 suited (the 107 won)
Even if I could afford to rebuy, why would I want too. Might as well get a lottery ticket!
However I dont think they should be scraped as some people may love em (If we all liked the same things would ba a boring place!) but I will be giving em a wide berth in future.
But each to their own, & if you don't like them, I agree, it's best if you swerve them.
I personally have a real hatred for rebuys and fast structure tourneys. All this means is that you wont find me playing in them , whereas others will love these things and will play them.Their existence does not force me to play them and nor do i but instead i find a nice little £2-20 deepstack to while away my time.For me the only real change noticeable will be a movement in numbers playing in each style of these tournys and therefore leaving people in the style of tourny they want playing against others who want to be in that style tourny as well.
On a personal note whilst we are talking about change, i would like to see the PLO and PLO8 tournys being played deeper because i believe they are much better suited to a larger starting stack and will provide the opportunity for some great play in them.
Sorry for straying there but in general i would just like to say that i am a big fan of the site and for me these changes are only for the good even though they will have no affect on me at all. Good luck on the tables to you all in what ever style of game you play.
Having said that, what I don't like is the way Sky have suddenly changed their standard freerolls (Super Six and Fantasy Football), which have been very well supported into rebuys, but I guess those changes are just something that I am going to have to live with.
+1 to this despite my earlier rant
What about AA?