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How do. Just looking for a variety of perspectives on online vs live NLH. I've played now for around 5 years, 3 years seriously and had alot of success in live play. However i've never managed to transfer this success to internet poker. I've played at alot of the major sites but have kind of come to feel that I'm not able to play with confidence due to the horrendous amounts of action boards and seemingly impossible bad beats. I mainly play online for small stakes as entertainment and to hone MTT strategy, rather than feeling that online is a source of income. I know this is a dividing issue, with elements of internet bot use and certain sites using specified algorithms to prevent collusion after a scandal at a major internet site. So why is it that we see ridiculous bad beats online over and over? Is it because its easier to make a bad/loose call my clicking a button, rather than looking your opponent in the eye and physically handling chips?
Just looking for a variety of perspectives
Just looking for a variety of perspectives
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is that just a single ticket, sir, or a return to area51?
I think you have to look at Online poker and Live poker as two different games...they play totally differently even though the parts are the same...
Also playing at small stakes doesn't really give you a correct perspective of good online play ether as micro stakes play totally different from mid and nosebleed stakes...
People are much more inclined to kick off from behind their computer about a bad beat than they are at a live venue so you hear more dodgy R N G stories than dodgy dealer stories....Also consider the amount of onliners vs the amount of live players in a casino and you'll begin to understand why you hear more about beats online than live!!
Though you'll still get bad beats at Sky (nature of the beast i'm afraid) the site is a smallish UK based stand alone site that caters for the more recreational player, no bots or tracking software on here!!!
I hope you stick around as the site rocks are the banter is ace however good luck whatever you decide
Hugs, Irene xx
Plus the shear volume of hands you see online towards a live game you are going to see more bad beats per hour anyway. What a lot of people fail to take into account when they talk about the percentage of bad beats though is all the hands won without going to showdown.
In response to your comment aussie09 the issues i raised in my opening post are not paranoid fantasies, they are real events in the real world that anyone playing online poker should familiarise themselves with. But thankyou for the sarcasm
I have found sky to be pretty cool actually, i think its a very novel idea to have the accompanying tv channel and its great to see the legend that is Richard Orford off the dole cue
I must confess I am pretty wary of online play, given that it is only regulated by internal means. But I think the setup is pretty good here. Could do with more non DYM S+G'S but the MTT's and cash are good.
Thanks again TRIP5 and DONUT, good luck out there.
As I said in my opening post, just looking for a variety of perspectives but I have taken my hand histories away from the table and often done the math to be in the 10's of millions to one for concurrent hands, I dont know if I'm permitted to mention brands here but if you look at the software that was introduced in all major sites following a scandal with a company P. Hellmuth was affiliated with you my catch my drift. If you dont know the scandal that I refer to, as poker players, it would be well worth your time to look into it.
What's tracking software got do with this TRIP5, allowing it on here would at least give players the opportunity to see how they are running v EV giving them a truer reflection of how they are really running. PT and HM provide many useful tools not just the HUD on the tables, of course the Luddites on here protest against them, mostly from what I have seen tourney players whose opinion on this subject is worthless because tracking software is best suited to cash players.
Why is this in Area 51?? Anyone even questions the software and its another nut and they and their thread are confined here. I've played online for long enough to be slightly concerned at some of the things I see.
I would understand it if the guy had just made a statement and not wanted other peoples views. I feel someone read the headline and just presumed what the thread was all about. As Aussie09 (Who doesnt exist
I wasnt aware of sky poker's area 51, but I think i get the message. It does seem abit harsh that anyone quering integrity and validity is reduced to being a paranoid nutjob. As soon as online poker is externally regulated and answers to external scrutiny i shall stop asking "silly questions", but until then I think as a community its well within our rights to do discuss issues. It kind of disturbs me that anyone speaking up gets relegated this way.
NoseyBonk,
I play on the site do Alderney? I doubt you put in anywhere near the volume of hands I do so your clever comment can be treated as such. To be fair other sites are the same but there are things happening everyday now that you simply did not see two years back. If I get it in with AK v A7 I do not expect to win 73% of the time, why? Because I don't, not even close, as this site doesn't support HM I don't have the stats but if I did I would be way below EV in these situations. Quads turn up too often, flopped quads are no big deal nor is set over set or KK v AA since the new year. As for getting all my money in in front well that's a lottery that comes out on the underdogs side way too often.
Sorry but I put the hands in and see this nonsense, should I take Alderney's word for it or rely on what I experience every day.
I was addressing his specific point about sites (well, this one) being externally regulated. This site is externally regulated and it's poker engine is externally tested & verified by external experts (a company called Technical Systems Testing).
Since this post has been relegated to the Are 51 i'll continue down that line. What the real problem is with online play is the forced action boards. Where you simply cannot put your hand down based on pot odds/implied odds. Keep a note of how often you flop a str/flsh/str flsh board and the turn blanks and the river is a reproduction of that blank. Also nullified flopped 2pr. I challenge anyone to play 100 live hands, tracking hands for results. Then play 100 online hands tracking results. The disparity will be poles apart.
Internet players who question the system are assumed to be whiners and sore losers. I accept internet poker for what is, entertainment until the casino opens. Individuals who refuse to even question the ethics of multi billion dollar business's seem abit odd to me. There are currently 4 RICO major lawsuits against companies in America and plenty of online information that really is worth looking at. Check your contract, bots are part of online play, as is anti collusion (catch-up) software
I didnt open this post to argue or try to undermine peoples faith in online poker. I was simply looking for other peoples input and experiences.
All I have really heard in defeence of online poker though is reproduced comments such as the "more hands = higher visibility of bad beats". This really is an industry myth and, to me personally, is a widely accepted falsehood.
Personally I think the online bad beats are more frequent due to the fact that the majority of players play looser online and are happier to make marginal calls with backdoor hands. Also the anti collusion algorthyms play into that and many of those back door draws or floated hands get there.
I wish anyone who plays online for a living the best of luck, but its not a choice I would make for myself. But I think people do need to feel free to explore the possibility that RNG's arent entirely random. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Poker sites do use bots (check your contract) and anti collusion software is a very real element of online poker. The anti collusion software is the most worrying, I wont rant on, if your curious just research it on the internet.
had the 95/5 bubble on primo that defo did tilt me lol
If the 6 binks the river as you say then of course the %'s still come into play, there never is a time when they dont. All it means is that on a non flsh/str board you go from beig a 95% winner to losing.