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Stien clearly has minus 10000000 "happy points "for every lost hand which clearly explains why he is so cynical and miserable all the time.
How can a winning mid stakes cash player of such high volumes even begin to doubt the integrity of online poker?... Dont make sense imo.
If you check the small print in the T + C's in the majority of online poker sites (havent gone through sky's yet) you will see that the site reserves the right to fill empty seats, particularly in guarenteed Tournaments. These would not be real live people but part of the site itself. But this is perfectly legal.
The other issue is the anti collusion algorthyms. I wasnt going into detail because it doesnt seem that people want to hear, I just left it up to the reader to investigate on their own if they wanted, but as you directly asked I'll expand. Following the scandal at a major online site (P. Hellmuth being the spokesperson of up until recently), where an ex programme worked with a pro to develop and utilise software allowing said pro to see everyones hole cards. This isnt myth or fiction, but documented fact. Following this an algorthym was introduced to the software to prevent people benefiting from this type of manipulation/collusion. It basically prevents any individual from winning a dis-proportionat amount of the time. Again, perfectly legal as it safeguards other players from the pre mentioned potential unfairness. The implications of that software are huge and basically makes any RNG a utter moot point. Again, dont take my word for it, get out there and research it yourself.
I suppose this has devolved into an area 51 monologue now, but it was only meant to compare experience and perceptions. I dont claim to feel strongly that poker is rigged or genuine. But I do think that it is healthy and appropriate for customers/consumers to research and question. How many faceless corporations are you aware of that maintain a high morale standpoint?
Simples Greg because I'd be an even bigger winning mid stakes cash player if it wasn't for the shocking beats. Like i've said give us HM or PT on here and the personal evidence would be there in black and white, there would be no need to count our happy points. When i was using HM on another site I was 19 buyins below EV over 35,000 hands not the biggest sample size I know but it told me i was running like .... on there no grey areas.
At the end of the day the OP asked for opinions, I've given mine and agree he is right to ask questions, not of Sky but of the RNG that it uses. You and Dohhh have your opinions on the other side of the fence and you both have every right to hold them but I talk to fellow players every week and too many have concerns, many won't even play online anymore because of these concerns which is no good thing for any of us players and the poker industry which includes Sky.
When you seriously have to factor in Quads or a bigger set into a guys holding somethings odd or was Phil Gordon wrong?
I have seriously never seen someone feel sorry for themselves as much as you do.
Ok here goes Skypoker isnt fixed
Hope this clears up the matter
Peter
Can anyone explain to me why people became offended when people ask pretty reasonable questions?
I have not once said that internet poker is rigged. I have questioned the notion that RNG's are in fact random. Which pretty much all major sites acknowledge are only random to a degree. As in random beyond anti collusion software and the effect that bots have upon a fair and equal game. Its not as black and white as rigged or not rigged. There are many elements that come together to make online poker, in general, not a true game
Did you actually read a word of my post or are you simply in love with the sound of your own voice? "You don't seriously think that making sky compatible with HEM would make no difference to the standard on the tables??????????"
I SAID THAT ALLOWING HM/PT ON HERE WOULD ALLOW A PLAYER TO ACCURATELY SEE HOW THEY WERE RUNNING MAKING YOU VIDEO POST SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT, GOOD POKER PLAYER YOU MAYBE DOHHH BUT YOU REALLY NEED TO READ BEFORE YOU WRITE.
I dont claim to know the ins and outs of the algorthym in total detail. But many major sites (can I name them?) fully accept and acknowledge that this software is in use and speak of it mainly as a defence to protect players.
Well i guess the mods can delete this post if i breach rules. Look up the ultimate bet and absolout poker scandals. Also the CA lawsuits against FT and pokerstars. It has been clearly proven that poker sites are quite happy to exploit their patrons. The anti collusion algorthym was introduced following these scandals to prevent future misconduct. There is a line of thought that many of the frequent bad beats seen online are a product of this software.
As i said earlier the hand frequency = more observed bad beats is an utter reproduced piece of propaganda. Surely if that line of reasoning is true that door would swing both ways. Rather than seeing a higher frequency of bad beats, an individual shouls see their premium high % plays rewarded, rather than sweating the constant all in good, beat river 1 live card/3 outer.
Hi Elsadog.
Yes, your view is as valid as mine and we should all be able to express our views without abuse. In fact, i think this thread has been fairly tame compared with others and there has been a good discussion.
RNG's may not be 100% "perfect", but neither are live dealers. Its still the same game. But, online you play so many more hands in a short period of time and players are looser so you will see all sorts online, its normal... its just poker.. no one is diddling anyone.
I trust skypoker to get their RNG as near "perfect" as possible. Its just such a shame that not everyone who plays on here does!
I also agree with the more hands played = more bad beats seen being an industry perpetuated accepted lie. Strip away the easy acceptance of that held belief and frankly...its donkey nonsense.
There was a study that Mike Mexton did on internet poker and he came out with some intresting observations, mainly that in live NLH the river swings the winner to a loser (on AVG) 12% of the time. But on internet poker he observed it to be as high (on AVG) as 32%
A VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE BY TIHS GUY PAUL .
Is It Possible To Crack The Poker RNG?
By paul westinActually the answer is not as simple as a yes or no, simply because anyone who would want to crack a poker RNG would need to know an advanced amount of mathematics and skill as well as the random variable entropy source of the specific RNG.
However, there are methods by which one could determine some of the possible outcomes produced in a poker RNG. These outcomes are commonly referred to as the Poker RNG flaw. Although knowing the exact and specific outcome of the RNG is not entirely possible, an close examination of how the RNG works will reveal the deterministic approach for one to be able to discover the end result.
Random or Not?
First, an understanding of what randomness is and the capacity of a computer to choose a random number is important to proceeding with understanding how the RNG works and how it affects the relative outcome in online poker. Randomness is by definition the absence of order.
In other words, in the case of choosing a random number, there can be no specific or determined order in which the numbers would be selected. The fact that a computer program will generate a number (or poker hand) using determined mathematical functions, entropy sources, or seed variables, in and of itself defies the true logic of randomness.
Entropy and How the RNG Works
Secondly, online poker sites utilize advanced entropy sources (entropy is a measure of the uncertainty associated with a random variable), such as white noise generators, laser lights passing through filters and even thermodynamics to create seed variables to produce random numbers. The fact that entropy is used in the production of the RNG in online poker, does not give it the true or real life randomness of actually shuffling and dealing a deck of cards.
Furthermore, Claude E. Shannon in his 1948 paper "A Mathematical Theory of Communication" introduced a concept known as Shannon Entropy which determines, in the sense of an expected value, the information contained in a message. In other words, the Shannon Entropy is a measure by which it is possible to discover the information that is missing even if you do not know the value of the random variable used to determine a random number.
In simpler terms, by knowing a mathematical function, you CAN determine the random number or RNG outcome, based on known information.
The RNG Flaw
In online Poker, the Shannon Entropy could be related to the poker algorithms and the ability of a player to actually determine the supposed randomness of the cards in an online poker game. Furthermore, entropy sources may seem like good methods by which to create a random number, the fact is that such information (poker algorithms) is ultimately predictable since the use of long mathematical procedures are involved in the creation of such randomness. In other words, it is possible to crack the poker random number generator and ultimately expose the flaws in online poker.
Paul Westin is a professional poker player on several online poker sites and a former software engineer for a gaming company.
His latest research on poker code algorithms reveals the inner workings of the online poker sites and how the software programs used on the pokersites affect the outcome of your play.