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any statman could out this con

x-tilerx-tiler
edited February 2011 in Area 51
get real stats people working on this site looking at probabilities and varients...look at diferent stats like how many small stacks get knocked off a cash table with their first allin or how many times aa wins when its slowplayed and how many times the largestack in a tourney plays krap and wins with any2,,,its time to fight back against these corrupt businesses exploiting descent people
 ps,if i was sky i would employ people on these forums to shout people down like me,
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited February 2011
    In Response to any statman could out this con:
    get real stats people working on this site looking at probabilities and varients...look at diferent stats like how many small stacks get knocked off a cash table with their first allin or how many times aa wins when its slowplayed and how many times the largestack in a tourney plays krap and wins with any2,,,its time to fight back against these corrupt businesses exploiting descent people  ps,if i was sky i would employ people on these forums to shout people down like me,
    Posted by x-tiler



    i suppose it could never be a possibility,that you are not the best poker player in the world?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to any statman could out this con : i suppose it could never be a possibility,that you are not the best poker player in the world?
    Posted by djblacke04

    Double negative alert!

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  • RedHouseRedHouse
    edited February 2011
    any scatman could out this con. FYP :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2wMsnE2cvI
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2011
    yep sky fix it for me to win....................
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xxx
    		 Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £29.10
    donkeyplop Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £29.70
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
    		     
    SPLINTER23 Raise   £0.90 £1.35 £21.54
    BLUE988 Fold        
    acebandit Fold        
    xxx
    		 Call   £0.75 £2.10 £28.35
    donkeyplop Raise   £2.40 £4.50 £27.30
    SPLINTER23 Call   £1.80 £6.30 £19.74
    xxx
    		 Call   £1.80 £8.10 £26.55
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • A
    • 6
    		     
    xxx
    		 Check        
    donkeyplop Bet   £4.05 £12.15 £23.25
    SPLINTER23 Fold        
    xxx
    		 Raise   £12.15 £24.30 £14.40
    donkeyplop All-in   £23.25 £47.55 £0.00
    xxx
    		 All-in   £14.40 £61.95 £0.00
    donkeyplop Unmatched bet   £0.75 £61.20 £0.75
    xxx
    		 Show
    • 6
    • 6
    		     
    donkeyplop Show
    • A
    • A
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 9
    		     
    River
       
    • J
    		     
    donkeyplop Win Three Aces £59.40   £60.15
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited February 2011
    In Response to any statman could out this con:
    get real stats people working on this site looking at probabilities and varients...look at diferent stats like how many small stacks get knocked off a cash table with their first allin or how many times aa wins when its slowplayed and how many times the largestack in a tourney plays krap and wins with any2,,,its time to fight back against these corrupt businesses exploiting descent people  ps,if i was sky i would employ people on these forums to shout people down like me,
    Posted by x-tiler
    lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

    Just for those people who dont know ive bolded possibly the two worst parts of any poker play
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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ
    edited February 2011

    "any statman could out this con"

    Why haven't they then?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    "any statman could out this con" Why haven't they then?
    Posted by GaryQQQ


    Because the stats will always stack up as they should. The common reason for any example to fail the ''test'' is that the sample is too small. But the paradox is that as the sample gets bigger then the stats will always steer towards expected values. The bigger the sample the closer to the expected it becomes. That of course doesn't mean that it is random, it may just mean it has been randomised to give the appearance of random over large samples.

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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    come on,post what stats you want looking into,see if sky has the balls,i doubt it lmao
    Posted by x-tiler
    Youve already admited you slow play aces and short stack.

    So lets put it simple. AA is 80% against one opponent, thats when youve isolated it to one opponent by playing it like 99% of poker players.

    However by slowplaying it you allow multiple opponents to see a flop which means AA is as little as 45% to win the hand.

    You also admit you short stack - means you have to make moves quicker with lesser holdings.

    Sorry but any reason why your losing not mentioned here
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con : Youve already admited you slow play aces and short stack. So lets put it simple. AA is 80% against one opponent, thats when youve isolated it to one opponent by playing it like 99% of poker players. However by slowplaying it you allow multiple opponents to see a flop which means AA is as little as 45% to win the hand. You also admit you short stack - means you have to make moves quicker with lesser holdings. Sorry but any reason why your losing not mentioned here
    Posted by The_Don90

    That's not quite right m8. Slow playing isn't limping. 

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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con : Youve already admited you slow play aces and short stack. So lets put it simple. AA is 80% against one opponent, thats when youve isolated it to one opponent by playing it like 99% of poker players. However by slowplaying it you allow multiple opponents to see a flop which means AA is as little as 45% to win the hand. You also admit you short stack - means you have to make moves quicker with lesser holdings. Sorry but any reason why your losing not mentioned here
    Posted by The_Don90

    AA vs one opponent is only 80% (actually 82%) when that 1 opponent holds a pocket pair.  Any other A is around 94% and theres a world of variance with many other hands
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  • x-tilerx-tiler
    edited February 2011
    i was giving 2 examples of stats to look into,i didnt say i played shortstack or slowed aces ty
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  • x-tilerx-tiler
    edited February 2011
    sky knows what its doing,,like all these sites,,last 4 live games i have played i have cashed,on here i always feel cheated? coincidences and variance,,f off,plane fin cheating with a bent programme
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    sky knows what its doing,,like all these sites,,last 4 live games i have played i have cashed,on here i always feel cheated? coincidences and variance,,f off,plane fin cheating with a bent programme
    Posted by x-tiler

    could also be better players on here than at your live games,


    ive been there,worn the tshirt and you know what i ve found out,the problem is in your game....

    you rely on one hand to make or break your tournement...

    read some books...

    gl..
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  • x-tilerx-tiler
    edited February 2011
    lol,my biggest win online is 121k,,i have played for 7years,,you know and i know,this is bent lol,,are you on commision? sorry but are you saying the standard on here is good? are you blind sir? come on sky post my stats,show how i have gone in ahead 84% and won 36%,,this site is setup for business not poker
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  • x-tilerx-tiler
    edited February 2011
    4times tonight someones hit a set on the turn on me when ive bet big on flop with tt,,,sorry but thats crooked bs $130 gone when miles ahead until idiots cant fold a pp,,you stupid people trusting this,ps only played for 90mins ffs
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  • lucky77777lucky77777
    edited February 2011
    i know your right tiler but no point m8
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2011
    Why are you playing at my 20nl cash table still then?

    Also not sure a 6x raise with no limpers in cash is great............
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  • x-tilerx-tiler
    edited February 2011
    6x coz everyone call 3x
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2011
    i dont lol, i see lucys here now!

    u2 ganging up on me?? ;)
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  • lucky77777lucky77777
    edited February 2011
    curtainly not i havnt won a pot of u yet )
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  • djblacke04djblacke04
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    lol,my biggest win online is 121k,,i have played for 7years,,you know and i know,this is bent lol,,are you on commision? sorry but are you saying the standard on here is good? are you blind sir? come on sky post my stats,show how i have gone in ahead 84% and won 36%,,this site is setup for business not poker
    Posted by x-tiler

    your biggest win is 121 k.....

    id like to see proof of that,and i definately do not work for sky or ever have ,thats funny...

    if you really believe that everything is setup against you,why dont you try this...

    get a pack of cards and deal 6 hands..


    now just assume that everyone plays their hand and deal a flop...

    then a turn and a river...

    see if the best hand preflop wins all the time...because i can assure you that it does not....


    even when i deal it myself...










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  • cuffyno1cuffyno1
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con : your biggest win is 121 k..... id like to see proof of that,and i definately do not work for sky or ever have ,thats funny... if you really believe that everything is setup against you,why dont you try this... get a pack of cards and deal 6 hands.. now just assume that everyone plays their hand and deal a flop... then a turn and a river... see if the best hand preflop wins all the time...because i can assure you that it does not.... even when i deal it myself...
    Posted by djblacke04
    u online blacke?? cash game ??
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited February 2011
    If you want to try and make people listen to you, calling everyone "idiots" and "stupid" is kind of counter productive bud.

    I do agree that there is something not quite right with RNG's however.  Was at the casino for 6 hours last night, pretty standard play.  Got in, played on this site.  Within ten minutes I'd flopped the nut straight, bet heavily on each street and got done on the river to runner runner Full House.............twice.  Then shortly after shipped it on a Q high flop with AQ, called by Q4, turn and river comes 4. 

    You do the math away from the table and something really doesnt sit well with me.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    WELCOME TO THE POKER MERRY-GO-ROUND!!!
    It certainly seems like an action induced merry-go-round. Win some, lose some (but a little more than you won) then win some, lose some and ........ repeat. Then deposit, rinse and repeat........ NOT SURE? HERE'S SOME FREE MONEY TO GET THE TASTE BUDS GOING!!

    Everyone gets a taste, everyone lives in the hope that with a little tweak to their game they can be really good. Every win reinforces that belief and the fact that you lose is called variance. But stick at it because as long as you get your money in ahead it will all be good in the end. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and ............

    All the time the rake is generated to the maximum and every punter is happy in the thought that they really are a budding star - if it wasn't for that dratted variance.

    Plenty of room on board .......... NEXT!
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited February 2011
    100% with you :)
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    If you want to try and make people listen to you, calling everyone "idiots" and "stupid" is kind of counter productive bud. I do agree that there is something not quite right with RNG's however.  Was at the casino for 6 hours last night, pretty standard play.  Got in, played on this site.  Within ten minutes I'd flopped the nut straight, bet heavily on each street and got done on the river to runner runner Full House.............twice.  Then shortly after shipped it on a Q high flop with AQ, called by Q4, turn and river comes 4.  You do the math away from the table and something really doesnt sit well with me.
    Posted by AMYBR
    One thing you have to remember is in a live game you are less likely to get called all down the streets with gutshots/flush draws. (yes you do get some nutters but not as often as online)

    Where as  people online are sitting infront of a screen clicking a mouse, thats why imo you get more bad beats online.........
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con : One thing you have to remember is in a live game you are less likely to get called all down the streets with gutshots/flush draws. (yes you do get some nutters but not as often as online) Where as  people online are sitting infront of a screen clicking a mouse, thats why imo you get more bad beats online.........
    Posted by donkeyplop

    I think part of that is true, but I also think part of it isn't. You will see more people calling you down and what you say about the ease of clicking amouse is true also. But that should be good because the number of beats should only rise proportionally. In other words - more bad beats, yes - but more winnings too.

    It should be in proportion but it isn't.

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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop
    edited February 2011
    Elsa you play mtts mainly don't you??

    I play mainly cash now and its going ok.

    I guess in mtts you need to win those flips at the crucial times, where as in cash I can grind money by not having to rely on flipping all the time, maybe that's the difference?
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    Elsa you play mtts mainly don't you?? I play mainly cash now and its going ok. I guess in mtts you need to win those flips at the crucial times, where as in cash I can grind money by not having to rely on flipping all the time, maybe that's the difference?
    Posted by donkeyplop

    Yes you're right but that's always been the difference.
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  • Seagull158Seagull158
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con:
    In Response to Re: any statman could out this con : Yes you're right but that's always been the difference.
    Posted by elsadog
    I play mainly cash, up to 15 or so hours per week, and the number of crazy deals I've seen over the past two days is unbelievable. Saw one player on 8nl get to 38 quid stack in 2 hours, going in behind against 1 or 2 cxallers on 6 or 7 occasions and hitting river monsters. It seems that when the cards go on their backs before the river you can pretty much guess the card thats going to appear. Something's very wrong.
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