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Racing April 20th

edited May 2011 in Betting Chat
2.00 E    Archers Row
20.20 K  Bubbly BraveHeart
15.55 S  Maristar
15.30 H   Finlay
20.50K    Watered Silk
17.05 NC  Hamza
17.00 S    SpicanSpan
17.30 S    Investment World

£5 win on each
56x50p e/w Accs (5 Horse)
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  • edited April 2011

    2.55 HEREFORD GOLDEN BUTTON EACH WAY looks a good bet
  • edited April 2011
     2.55 hereford what kind of race was that done sir clad feel gutted lol
  • edited April 2011
    3.10 Epsom Downs top 2 in the market f/c
    wont pay much but should be easy money
  • edited April 2011
    okay hope no 1 did that but the winner very impresive
  • edited April 2011

     RAMONA CHASE 3.45 EPSOM EACH WAY

     HAS COURSE FORM AND RECENT GOOD RUN
  • edited April 2011

      YANKEE HERE
     
      BORDER LAD 4.40 HEREFORD

      COURELLA 5.10  HEREFORD

      INVESTMENT WORLD 5.30 SOUTHWELL

      MAINLAND 5.35 NEWCASTLE  

       WILL ALSO BE DOING REVERSE FORECAST NO 2 AND N0 6  5.35 NEWCASTLE
  • edited April 2011

     6.05 NEWCASTLE

      HAIL TIBERIUS LOOKS GOOD HERE

      TIME FOR LAST RACE IS GOOD AND ALSO 4 OUT OF THE FIRST 5 HOME WERE DRAWN HIGH WHEREAS THIS     

      HORSE WAS DRAWN LOW
  • edited April 2011
    In the 2.35 at Epsom, I did a forecast Sunny game to beat Rockadoodle doo.

    Rocka doodledoo finished 3rd , but after a stewards enquiry, the horse that finished 2nd was disqualified and Rockadoodle doo was placed 2nd.
    The f/c paid about £32 , but sky are refusing to settle the bet , saying it is alosing bet as Rockadooodledoo finished 3rd.
    This cannot be right.
    Does anybody know if sky is right or can I take this further.?
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    In the 2.35 at Epsom, I did a forecast Sunny game to beat Rockadoodle doo. Rocka doodledoo finished 3rd , but after a stewards enquiry, the horse that finished 2nd was disqualified and Rockadoodle doo was placed 2nd. The f/c paid about £32 , but sky are refusing to settle the bet , saying it is alosing bet as Rockadooodledoo finished 3rd. This cannot be right. Does anybody know if sky is right or can I take this further.?
    Posted by wynne1938
     THE OFFICIAL RESULT IS WHAT IS PAID OUT ON
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    In the 2.35 at Epsom, I did a forecast Sunny game to beat Rockadoodle doo. Rocka doodledoo finished 3rd , but after a stewards enquiry, the horse that finished 2nd was disqualified and Rockadoodle doo was placed 2nd. The f/c paid about £32 , but sky are refusing to settle the bet , saying it is alosing bet as Rockadooodledoo finished 3rd. This cannot be right. Does anybody know if sky is right or can I take this further.?
    Posted by wynne1938
    If you have had a forecast on Sunny Game to beat Rockadoodledoo, then you WILL be paid, there is
    absolutley no reason why you will not.
    When you say REFUSE, do you mean you have questioned it and been given a decision? Or do you mean your
    balance does not yet reflect winnings being credited?
    If the situation is as you've described, then they have NO right to withold payment, and you should pursue
    this to the High Court if necessary :-)
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:


    Hi,
    Yes , they are refusing to pay out,
    Wynne
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th : If you have had a forecast on Sunny Game to beat Rockadoodledoo, then you WILL be paid, there is absolutley no reason why you will not. When you say REFUSE, do you mean you have questioned it and been given a decision? Or do you mean your balance does not yet reflect winnings being credited? If the situation is as you've described, then they have NO right to withold payment, and you should pursue this to the High Court if necessary :-)
    Posted by SILEEK
  • edited April 2011
    Wynne there havin a laugh the only way they can not pay out is if the bet was laid as a first past the post bet.
    i dont know any major bookie that offers this type of bet but check the small print just in case.
  • edited April 2011

     Reply |Sky Bet to me
    show details 18:59 (1 hour ago)


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     Hi Wynne
     
    Thanks for your email.
     
    I can see your point however we do only pay out in the order that the horses past the post.
     
    Hence as I have stated before your bet was settled as a losing bet. The full terms can be found in our help and support section here
     
    http://help.skybet.com/article.aspx?article=1248&p=5
     
     
    Kind Regards,





    This is the response I got,
    Wynne

  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
     Reply |Sky Bet to me show details 18:59 (1 hour ago) Fill Out Our Customer Survey  Hi Wynne   Thanks for your email.   I can see your point however we do only pay out in the order that the horses past the post.   Hence as I have stated before your bet was settled as a losing bet. The full terms can be found in our help and support section here   http://help.skybet.com/article.aspx?article=1248&p=5     Kind Regards, This is the response I got, Wynne
    Posted by wynne1938
    I know very little about after race procedures but surely the weigh in isn't called till after the official result is given. Therefore, you should be entitled to your winnings.

    And with the amount involved and the amount you obviously put through the account, this is very bad PR for SKY BET

    GL m8

    Keith
  • edited April 2011
    Reading that explaiation your case rests on the time the weighed in was anounced and the time the stewards enquiry was decided.
    if what sky are saying is there policy basically you cant win if your horse doesnt pass the post in a winning position.
    which seems a very strange set of affairs i would keep pursuing it through customer service and what ever the outcome do yourself a favour use a differnt bookie for your bets i love sky for poker but skybet is probably the worst place to have a bet.
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    Reading that explaiation your case rests on the time the weighed in was anounced and the time the stewards enquiry was decided. if what sky are saying is there policy basically you cant win if your horse doesnt pass the post in a winning position. which seems a very strange set of affairs i would keep pursuing it through customer service and what ever the outcome do yourself a favour use a differnt bookie for your bets i love sky for poker but skybet is probably the worst place to have a bet.
    Posted by BADBOY985
    I agree with you ,I will take all my bets in future to other sites e.g Bet 365, they have a policy of paying out the higher odds if a horse price is higher than the price youtake .
    wynne
  • edited April 2011
    I agree with you wynne, it seems wrong from normal 1st past the post procedures? I thought normally the bookies just had to take the hit for a potential double payout?Regardless of whether it was a forecast bet or amended result..
  • edited April 2011
    bet 365 is the best bookie they would have paid you,,and if you put the forecasts in individually then you get best odds guarenteed on your forecast
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th : I agree with you ,I will take all my bets in future to other sites e.g Bet 365, they have a policy of paying out the higher odds if a horse price is higher than the price youtake . wynne
    Posted by wynne1938
    Pretty much every other bookie do the best odds guarantee.
    i had one from a tip on hear from shazzlin was at 7/4 when i placed the bet with boyles went of 11/4 so i got 11/4 which means im £5 better off for my five bet
  • edited April 2011
    Some bookies pay out on f/p/p & ammended result if there is one....... might be better off shopping around. Absolutely amazed you didn't get paid
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
     Reply |Sky Bet to me show details 18:59 (1 hour ago) Fill Out Our Customer Survey  Hi Wynne   Thanks for your email.   I can see your point however we do only pay out in the order that the horses past the post.   Hence as I have stated before your bet was settled as a losing bet. The full terms can be found in our help and support section here   http://help.skybet.com/article.aspx?article=1248&p=5     Kind Regards, This is the response I got, Wynne
    Posted by wynne1938
    wynne you need to persue this mate ive been a betting office manager for ten years and can tell you with one million percent certainty they have to pay out keep on at em until you get someone who knows what they are doing half these places nowadays employ kids who aint got a clue keep on at em and threaten to take your bet to I.B.A.S and demand the forms for it off them.
    bloody disgraceful sky sort it out!!
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
     Reply |Sky Bet to me show details 18:59 (1 hour ago) Fill Out Our Customer Survey  Hi Wynne   Thanks for your email.   I can see your point however we do only pay out in the order that the horses past the post.   Hence as I have stated before your bet was settled as a losing bet. The full terms can be found in our help and support section here   http://help.skybet.com/article.aspx?article=1248&p=5     Kind Regards, This is the response I got, Wynne
    Posted by wynne1938
    This is the precise wording from their rules:
    "Bets are settled in accordance with the official result at the time of the "weigh in". Any change to a result after this point will not count."
    This rule is designed to cover subsequent disqualifications for the likes of positive dope test analysis and so on - it does not have any bearing on your bet.
    The official result at the time of the weigh in, is the one that was amended in the stewards enquiry.

    1 Sunny Game 3/1F
    2 Rock A Doodle Doo 10/1
    3 Harlestone Times 8/1

    This is the OFFICIAL RESULT, and they have NO right to withold payment.

    You must not accept this refusal to pay. Contact IBAS and ask for their advice. I am as near certain as I can be that you will be paid for that bet.
    Post your progress? Thanks.
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th : This is the precise wording from their rules: "Bets are settled in accordance with the official result at the time of the "weigh in". Any change to a result after this point will not count." This rule is designed to cover subsequent disqualifications for the likes of positive dope test analysis and so on - it does not have any bearing on your bet. The official result at the time of the weigh in, is the one that was amended in the stewards enquiry. 1 Sunny Game 3/1F 2 Rock A Doodle Doo 10/1 3 Harlestone Times 8/1 This is the OFFICIAL RESULT, and they have NO right to withold payment. You must not accept this refusal to pay. Contact IBAS and ask for their advice. I am as near certain as I can be that you will be paid for that bet. Post your progress? Thanks.
    Posted by SILEEK
    Thanks for ypur advice, Ihave contacted IBAS this morning and filled in an Adjudication form and sent it for, now wait to see what happens.Sky have not bothered to contact me after I threatened to report them.
    Here is my bet receipt:
    Bet Details
    ReceiptO/10151841/0001575
    Bet placed at20/04/2011 14:33
    Bet TypeSingle
    Bet ChannelInternet
    Number of lines12
    Stake per line£1.00
    Total stake£12.00
    SettledY
    Number of win lines0
    Number of void lines0
    Returns£0.00
    Refunds£0.00
    Selection Details
    Class/SportEvent Type EventMarketDateSelectionNotes
    Horse RacingEpsom Downs2.35 Epsom DownsCombination Forecast 20/04/2011 14:35Hawaana &
    Sunny Game (Win) &
    Zigato &
    Rock A Doodle Doo (Place) @ Dividend
     
  • edited April 2011
    I rarely use SkyBet because invariably their odds are worse than everyone elses but am even less likely to use them if they don't pay out on a winning bet like this.

    I would have thought someone at Sky would have seen this post, paid your bet out, apologised and tried to stop this disastrous own goal on the PR front!!

    Don't let this drop!
  • edited April 2011
    Glad you have not let this drop. It should take IBAS about 2 seconds to adjudicate on this one.
    I must admit I do not bet with them, but it seems a massive own goal by Skybet to rule against
    you on this one.
    A cynical viewpoint is that they hoped to fob you off, and get away with it. A hopefully more likely
    scenario, is that you were advised by somebody lacking experience and knowledge of the rules?
    Mmmmmmm, and that's being kind!! :-)
  • edited April 2011
    A right cook up from SKYBET

    The official result in the national press is as SILEEK says and unless your bet stipulates FPTP and it doesnt appear too then they must pay you out.

    Get it sorted SKY 
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th : Thanks for ypur advice, Ihave contacted IBAS this morning and filled in an Adjudication form and sent it for, now wait to see what happens.Sky have not bothered to contact me after I threatened to report them. Here is my bet receipt: Bet Details Receipt O/10151841/0001575 Bet placed at 20/04/2011 14:33 Bet Type Single Bet Channel Internet Number of lines 12 Stake per line £1.00 Total stake £12.00 Settled Y Number of win lines 0 Number of void lines 0 Returns £0.00 Refunds £0.00 Selection Details Class/Sport Event Type Event Market Date Selection Notes Horse Racing Epsom Downs 2.35 Epsom Downs Combination Forecast 20/04/2011 14:35 Hawaana & Sunny Game ( Win ) & Zigato & Rock A Doodle Doo ( Place ) @ Dividend  
    Posted by wynne1938
    the problem here is that the result will need amending in the computer to settle the bet as it will have to be inputed in to the system manualy by someone in the racing office(assuming they have one and not just a room of lovely ladies giving dreadfull customer service hahaha which is probly nearer the truth than you realise) so if they do not know how to settle bets which believe me constitutes to a vast majority of betting office managers nowadays since it's been computerised they will just see COMPUTER SAYS NO  and assume it is correct which anyone with even a modicum of betting knowledge knows this is A WINNING BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    sort it out sky or you are having no more of my money and a lot of other peoples too at a guess if this is the sort of website you are running.god help us if someone wins big.
  • edited April 2011
    the problem here is that the result will need amending in the computer to settle the bet as it will have to be inputed in to the system manualy by someone in the racing office(assuming they have one and not just a room of lovely ladies giving dreadfull customer service hahaha which is probly nearer the truth than you realise) so if they do not know how to settle bets which believe me constitutes to a vast majority of betting office managers nowadays since it's been computerised they will just see COMPUTER SAYS NO  and assume it is correct which anyone with even a modicum of betting knowledge knows this is A WINNING BET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    sort it out sky or you are having no more of my money and a lot of other peoples too at a guess if this is the sort of website you are running.god help us if someone wins big.

    +1
  • edited April 2011
    Sky's slowness in this beggars beflief, keep us posted wynne
  • edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Racing April 20th:
    Sky's slowness in this beggars beflief, keep us posted wynne
    Posted by vaigret
    Will do, and thanks for all your comments.
    I am not worried about the money,it amounts to £18 profit on the bet, it is the principle.
    It just goes to show when computers are involved , the personal touch is lost, and this is in all walks of life at the moment, unfortunenately.
    I do not expect any comeback now , till after easter as there has been no communications in the last 24 hours..

    I have informed them, that if there is not an amicable settlement, they will not only lose my sports betting account, they will also lose my poker, Tv, broadband and telephone accounts as well , bearing in mind, I cannot do this  until my contract runs out.
    I really enjoy taking part in all these activities on sky, there is a great community and I will miss this.

    Give you another good example , I had a bet on the Amir Khan/Paul McCluskey fight, which was a farce, because the fight should not have been stopped. PaddyPower returned all losing bets to their clients, because they also thought it was a farce.
    Can you think of Sky doing something like that?
     
    C'mon Sky . will you return me my money on this fight, I backed the underdog?
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