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Semi-Strong draw against TAG and donkey, sat fairly shallow.

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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Semi-Strong draw against TAG and donkey, sat fairly shallow.:
    Just wanted to expand upon this last comment.  I play in many FO and cash games where people just play recreationally, and are happy to get alot of money in pre flop with really fiddly hands.  Meaning I have to sit there like a nit till I pick up a hand with real strength.  Mostly their average salary is 4x the highest mine ever was while I was working so psychology plays a real important part.  I'm not happy to put my chips in ahead and flip 65/35 all night long.  There isnt any point as patience pays off against many of these guys.  So I cant just play EV+ spots all night.  (Although I did do this at a lower buy in a week or so ago and ended up  with around 15x my buyin).  But how often are you going to run that good?
    Posted by AMYBR
    wat this surely is pretty badly unless you are underrolled for the games you play in
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    No i mostly buy in for the max.  If I can take the flip against one player then yeah, happy days.  But it rarely is.  Your likely flipping for big portions of your stack multi way vs non dominated insane hands.  Its just not a profitable scenario to keep going up against.  I dont like the swings.  I'd rather have some insurance.  Good example being a hand I posted awhile ago here. 

    I limp with AhKh to 3 bet an idiot who is raising every hand.  He makes a huge bet, fellow idiot BB calls  I jam for something like 350BB's knowing one of them will call off their stack, maybe 120bb just to get lucky.  initial raiser insta cals 120BBs, BB puts his head in his hands says that he has odds, calls off his 120BB's.  Raiser flips 82, BB 75o.  I won, putting a third of my stack at risk (A8210A) but its just not how I like to play poker.  I can imagine your reply, that surely its great to play such idiots, and it is when you build a stack before your 3rd buy in.  But its pretty high risk if you cant connect.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited May 2011
    when the day comes that i finally leave my house and go outside, after i recover form being blinded by the sun im going to go and find a game that plays like the one you describe and never leave!
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Semi-Strong draw against TAG and donkey, sat fairly shallow.:
    when the day comes that i finally leave my house and go outside, after i recover form being blinded by the sun im going to go and find a game that plays like the one you describe and never leave!
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    lolz
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    Yeah its great when it runs like it should, but it rarely does.  You cant seriously tell me you'd be happy playing AKQ all in pre against random non dominated hands all day?
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited May 2011
    yes i would
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    But against two non dominated hands for never less than 80-150BB's you dont really have an advantage, the odds are split reasonably evently 3way.  If I could guarentee the race would be HU thats different, but as above there are guys that will shovel 120bigs in with 75o even after two massive allins.

    Genuine question, in a 3 or even 4 way showdown pre, for 100's of BB's being a £200 buy in, where's your advantage?  Especially when there are such easier spots?
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE
    edited May 2011
    Hand 0:     39.184%      39.06%     00.12%          137077092        425924.00   { AKs, AKo }
    Hand 1:     32.219%      32.10%     00.12%          112636332        425924.00   { QJs }
    Hand 2:     28.596%      28.47%     00.12%           99921828        425924.00   { 65s }

    i put 100bb in, i get 117bbs back on avg.
    pretty good edge imo
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  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Semi-Strong draw against TAG and donkey, sat fairly shallow.:
    Hand 0:     39.184%      39.06%     00.12%          137077092        425924.00   { AKs, AKo } Hand 1:     32.219%      32.10%     00.12%          112636332        425924.00   { QJs } Hand 2:     28.596%      28.47%     00.12%           99921828        425924.00   { 65s } i put 100bb in, i get 117bbs back on avg. pretty good edge imo
    Posted by LOL_RAISE

    I never said I'd fold premium hands to them.  I'm still limp 3 betting AK/Q (maybe J) and 8's upwards allin, or 3/4 betting allin in LP with the same hands against the idiots.

    I'm just saying i dont desire to play this way.  I'd rather exercise some pot control and avoid the swings, as you are always going to pick up a caller.
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