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50nl newbie - two big pots
I thought i'd dabble at 50nl last night to see how i got on.
Here are the two biggest pots i played and would be interested to see what people think i should do.
Only have limited reads as this is the first time i have played at this level on sky.
Hand 1. Note on villain "called 5x raise pre OOP with QJo". When they flat on flop i put them on either QJ or a flush draw. Their turn C/R shows massive strength. What would you do in my shoes now?
Hand 2. Villain here I haven't played before but we all know is a winning player. Have I played the hand ok preflop so far? Would you call the all-in?
He dwelt a lot before shoving all his chips in, my initial thoughts were maybe he had JJ or AK. How many times do i walk into AA or KK?
Here are the two biggest pots i played and would be interested to see what people think i should do.
Only have limited reads as this is the first time i have played at this level on sky.
Hand 1. Note on villain "called 5x raise pre OOP with QJo". When they flat on flop i put them on either QJ or a flush draw. Their turn C/R shows massive strength. What would you do in my shoes now?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| welp | Small blind | £0.25 | £0.25 | £47.28 | |
| Goingbust2 | Big blind | £0.50 | £0.75 | £73.36 | |
| elainel | Big blind | £0.50 | £1.25 | £8.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| daniello36 | Fold | ||||
| splashies | Raise | £2.00 | £3.25 | £45.00 | |
| elainel | Fold | ||||
| cottlad | Call | £2.00 | £5.25 | £65.02 | |
| welp | Call | £1.75 | £7.00 | £45.53 | |
| Goingbust2 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| welp | Check | ||||
| splashies | Bet | £4.00 | £11.00 | £41.00 | |
| cottlad | Fold | ||||
| welp | Call | £4.00 | £15.00 | £41.53 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| welp | Check | ||||
| splashies | Bet | £11.50 | £26.50 | £29.50 | |
| welp | Raise | £23.00 | £49.50 | £18.53 | |
| splashies | |||||
He dwelt a lot before shoving all his chips in, my initial thoughts were maybe he had JJ or AK. How many times do i walk into AA or KK?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| hurst05 | Small blind | £0.25 | £0.25 | £49.25 | |
| splashies | Big blind | £0.50 | £0.75 | £47.17 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| keeny | Raise | £2.00 | £2.75 | £48.44 | |
| curtis87 | Fold | ||||
| stevew44 | Fold | ||||
| hurst05 | Raise | £6.25 | £9.00 | £43.00 | |
| splashies | Raise | £19.50 | £28.50 | £27.67 | |
| keeny | Fold | ||||
| hurst05 | All-in | £43.00 | £71.50 | £0.00 | |
| splashies |
Comments
hand 1 i would only really be worried about set of 3s so easy decision there imo
would 4 bet smaller hand two he aint got much room as it is so prolly min it and call it off and hit the queen lol
2. Dont ever even consider 4b/f QQ this deep, especially not after putting in 40% of your stack. I'm not always 4betting though, if villains are competent and there is no unusual dynamic someone 3betting an UTG raise is usually pretty strong. If you do 4bet make it smaller, close to a minraise, but never 4bet unless you are happy getting it in
i wouldnt say its necessarily strong unless utg is a complete Nit, ranges can be fairly wide utg nl50 what makes it look stronger is that he in the SB
hand 2 is tricky. we 4bet too mcuh really to fold. like 4bet to like 13ish and we can do a fold i dont think we can do a fold now tho.
yeah I'm a nit, hate playing KTo oop though
if you 3bet an utg from the sb there are a few hands that can flat?
also you say you dont always 4bet here.....fold? calling cant be good as it prolly goes 3way and we can lose some or little equity that we have?
Ok I'm really pleased with all your replies. Hand 1 plays itself although i agree i could have folded pre.
Hand 2 i agree that i 4-bet too big here and theres no way i can fold now.
Here are the outcomes........
Hand 1.
Hand 2
fwiw i feel posting the results could be construed as a pretty sick rub
if we arent calling a shove we shouldnt 4bet in first place really
P.S If the villain was dohhhhhhh then it would most def have been a rubdown. =P
yeah i meant when we have QQ specifically, we could 4bet bluff but i think its not profitable because its utg open
I doubt many tag villains shove JJ or worse over a cold 4b no matter how small it is without some history
As regards utg range for flatting sb 3bets, I would expect it to be JJ, maybe TT maybe KK+ maybe nothing if hes good and there hasnt been 3bet battles going on.
Im basing my ranges on 50NL at a different site, this one seems looser, it could well be a fistpump 4b/c
4b/c is prob best, never underestimate peoples ability to spew and get it in
Calling sounds best to me "in theory" but it makes the hand difficult to play
I'm trying to see can I justify folding and consolidate my nitty image on this forum :O
What I meant is 4betting sort of folds all worse and gets called by all better, so theoretically, calling seems better as we should be ahead of villains ranges. I realise we are going to get into some nasty spots postflop, and it prob requires extremely good hand reading skills to play it profitably this way
Tbh, Im not sure whats best, 4b/c gains us a small pot most of the time and we sometimes get it in flipping or villains spew so I'm leaning towards that
I seriously dont know, I kinda think calling should be better, but I know I prob spew badly if I take that line. My reasoning would be it keeps hands like TT,JJ, AQ in Sbs range and UTG can call wider closing the action 3way, whereas 4betting either takes it down (which means we are bluffing ) or gets it in bad
i dont think we are 4 bet bluffing with QQ because we are never folding its a value bluff thingy lol
well 4betting allows SB to spew and he might fold AK (unlikely) it also allows him fold JJ (and most decent tags would imo)
I think we can possibly get more money postflop as I think our flat will often be interpreted as a small-mid pp or AQ, I'm not sure with that pot size I would be that worried about utg calling with speculative hands.
Yeah we are obv never 4b/f QQ, just if they fold it doesnt matter what we hold, if they shove we are usually a big dog.
I'm going to leave it at that, I'm prob not good enough to make the argument one way or another. I'd be very interested if someone was able to run some decent numbers on this