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A very odd situation arose last night.
Here's the info we have to work with.
I played a £50 DYM, & knew 4 of my Oppos.
The fifth I only "knew of" because he'd won a 9pm "Main" Event in the last few days. So he has a "few bob" burning a hole in his Account.
From that, I assumed - assumed - he might be playing above his normal levels.
Villain is sitting to my immediate left
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Right, off we go.
We start with 2,000 chips in these things, 6 players start, & 3 get double their money. Simples.
Villain takes down first three hands with Re-Raises, but never Shows.
I have not played a hand, as per.
4th hand, it's Villain in the BB, me in the SB.
He has about 2,400 behind. I have 1,970 behind, with 10 "in the middle" as my SB.
It's Passed round to us.
I have 9-9, & decided to just "make-up". (The reasons have nothing to do with this question & are not relevant to it. It's just standard meta-game stuff).
So there are 40 chips in the middle.
He now Bets........ALL-IN.
So......
1) Name his hand, or range.
2) What do we do?
Comments
I think its hard to know what he has something like A2, A3 summat really weak I reckon, I've seen raises like this on Sky recently with K3 and Q7, I really think some of the play on Sky has become very questionable.
You call to get 2-1 on your money and you are at probably at worse 50/50, I suspect you maybe as high as 70/30 if he is A2 or A3 so the pot odds prob favour the call, but you don't need to win this, just top 3.
It is too early to call, too early to race, any book or magazine says play tight in the early stages of DYM and it is only 99, mid range pair so for me its an automatic fold.
I would fold.
Well now, this is one of those isn't it.
As it seems that he is an aggressive player his range could be quite large, anywhere from any pair, any suited connectors, any two picture cards.
As to do we call, i think it comes down to the type of player you are, and how your feeling on the night.
In this situation, i fold more times than not. Why, 4th hand into a DYM i want to be the one making the move and at this stage i don't want to wake up to a race.
Later in the game, i would be pushing more chips over the line, when it is more profitable(bigger blinds etc).
IMO(from the info given) this is a guy i want play more aggressively and take his re-raise power away from him(as you say make them have the decision not you).
I imagine an aggressive player would call here, but i don't think you did, i might be wrong as you can be a little bit wheyy sometimes.
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I think he wants a gamble.
I'd fold and look to find a better edge.
LOVING the replies so far, you've grasped the issues perfectly.
But I'll wait a little longer before the Reveal.
Keep the replies coming, please.
He wins 40 chips if you fold. So to push all in with complete air is reckless and we don't know if this is his MO - not having notes on this player would make a call very dangerous.
He knows you all have seen him re-raise 3x in row. Thereby a push all in would appear to be a bluff, but due to the maths of risking entire stack for a profit of 40, I think he is wanting a call here and wants you to think he is bluffing.
I put him on - JJ/QQ thereby making him about 80/20 fav to win the hand.
You can defo pick a better spot to put your DYM on the line.
Verdict
Fold.
Outside of the given info I suppose though.
Thinking outside the box, I like it.
If you was limping to trap then it would appear to have worked so you insta-call????
However given it is a DYM I fold because of the structure. You don't need an early double up in these so I sigh and fold and just grind out the cash.
If it was a standrad SnG I probably call tho.
Obviously you should have raised, but once you didn't and he shoves, it's an easy fold imo.
There's just no need to risk it at this stage regardless of what he has.
For what it's worth my guess for what he has would be AK or any pair.
I've never told, or Posted, a Bad-Beat story in my life. They serve only one purpose - to bore people! And they are very good at that. (Please go take a look in what I call the "Bonkers Board").
His range? Well, he won the Open so is no mug.
If he's still in MTT final table mode, it could be any pair, any ace, any king, any two rainbow. But in this case I think he's playing you. It's one of the joys of poker to steal a few hands, then shove with AA or KK and get a caller as they think you're stealing again.
He had AA or KK in my opinion. Maybe QQ.
I feel this player knows you are very good player and is obviously trying to take away your skill edge maybe using sklanskys theory 'the system'.
Anyway, all that matters in these things is from 4th to third, your not going for a win, and doubling up in the fourth hand in these things is not as important as preserving the chips you already own.
Avoid the close calls, races and small +ev situations until the blinds increase, then use your skill and positional aggression to take down the blinds.
Thats my opinion. (was i playing in this dym?)
Limping with 99 is absolutely fine with the assumption that you might stack him if you get to see a cheap flop and hit your card.
It's an easy fold because I'm sure you feel that you have the edge on this player and don't need to take a gamble at this point. It's definitely a big gamble because you certainly don't have enough information at this stage to be able to put him on a hand with any degree of confidence.
I know that you like your meta-game issues (!), so I'd say that the main downside to folding that I can see is that he's going to be sitting on your left all game and giving you grief but I'm sure you'll find a better spot. The only other factor that I would consider meta-game-wise is that if he continues in this manner of playing then somone at the table is likely to double up early (either him or someone who goes up against him). Seeing as it is a DYM, this wouldn't concern me but in a standard SnG I might like to take the first shot at being the big chip leader. In a DYM I don't assign much value to getting a big early chip lead and trying to bully the table or sitting tight and trying to coast in - according to your style.
It's pretty much irrelevant what he holds, but if we're playing the guessing game, I'd say a decent ace or a small-ish pair as big overbets seem to be standard by many players with these types of holdings.
1. His range?, who knows... any 2 is a possibility. He has been busy and is throwing his chips around. Possibly drunk and playing above his normal level. Monster or rags, i couldnt possibly know.
2. Instant fold. I echo the thoughts of others, why gamble so early in a DYM. Open win or no Open win, this is a crazy shove. End of.
By the way, im probably only calling this with AA and KK. If i fold, i've lost 10 chips that i have voluntarily put in...big deal. Tough though, AK sooted, QQ, do i call? hmmmmmmmmm.
Just editing this post after further thought... He is perhaps sending a message here. i.e dont limp/mess with my bb. So when the blind becomes "stealable" at the latter and more vital states of the stt you know he will defend... Just a thought.... He cant be expecting a call with this early shove so his range is wide... Then Dave is right in saying your 99 is ahead of his range. Arrrgh this is making my head hurt!
i reckon you put him on 77 and called---but he turned over 55---lol
then he gets busted and doesnt cash.
Its all true... Derren Brown told me
(even if this is true.. still right to fold, no idea of his range... youve practically nothing in the pot.... very early doors..... if he keeps on being so aggro either he or someone else will go bust and youve then only to outlast 2 other to cash.....)
If he's playing above his level then i think he may be shoving with AK suited and the like. Wants to take the pot down there and then. If he's up against a low pair which at best he would put you on with the limp then he's a 50/50. He may have just had a small pair himself and wants to take the blinds down without fuss. Then again going all in with aces/kings early doors can get action because it looks weak and have used this move myself on occassion, especially after losing the last hand or after an all in push before. (Had kings a week or so ago, pushed all in at second level, all folded. Was lucky enough to be dealt aces very next hand so pushed again. Big stack saw this as buying pot and called with 2 paint and a nice double up for me!)
Play plenty of DYM games at lower levels and at micro levels you see some amazing play. Daytime i usually stick to £3/£5/£10 games myself but during the evening I tend to drop to micro levels due to the rediculous play I see. Played yesterday at 30p (just out of boredom) cashed and only played one hand! A7 seemed quite reasonable to go all in with early doors by a lot of players! Then on cash bubble a player accused the big stack of picking on him! (the big stack quite rightly was just using his strength to bully. I would have done the same) The other player could not grasp this concept. I tried to tell him at the cash bubble it wasnt necessarily the strength of cards but how they are played. Eventually he called an all in with k 4 and the chip leader showed 5 2 and hit. No issues here with the big stacks play. The small stack only had 2 x bb. The smaller stack then in his defence said ' I called because I have to go!' I had even folded a mid pocket pair to the big stack because why fight when there are shorties about?
Anyway I digress, so ultimately, I assume you folded and he showed rags and he can tell all his friends how he made the great Tikay fold with his 2 3 off.
OK, before the Reveal.....
Sky Dave Posted that his ascribed "range" was.....
Range: Any Ace better than say A5, any two broadways, any pair from 22 - QQ would be my guess.
That's about 32 hands. Throw in suited connectors & you have described evey playable hand!
So Sky-Dave is DISQUALIFIED.
PS - Hehe.
What was Villain's hand?
Very few peeps got this, but really, with hindsight (to me as well as them) - it's obvious. He had to have either air, or A-K.
He had A-K.
Did I Call?
Well that's not really relevant, but it's ok to say AFTER we have debated the hand. To say BEFORE the Reveal would result in what is described as "results-orientated thinking". In other words, making the reply "fit".