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SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.

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  • DollieDollie
    edited May 2011

    What a great thread!  There are some tremendous ideas here (particularly Solar and Lol Raise), which I am sure SKY will take on board to give us an even better tour for 2011-2012.  Personally I love these events and am hoping to qualify for my 12th event in Cardiff.  My first was Edinburgh in Jan 2009.

    I am likely to continue supporting the Tour, no matter what the format, but there a couple of things that I would not like to see change.
    1.  No earlier start time.  I consider the time between registration at 12.00 noon and tournie start time at 2.00pm as invaluable.  This is the time that you meet up with old (and new) friends and to me is a very important aspect of the event.
    2.  No direct buy ins.  Let's maintain satellite qualifying only.  This should ensure that all SKY players get more opportunity to have a go.

    Another couple of observations.
    1.  With current satellite structures (pre semi) the blind levels are every 5 mins with steepish rises.  This means that most games become a "shove fest" quite quickly.  Perhaps less satellites with a longer clock could be considered.
    2.  We have, over the last 2 years, been used to 125 qualifiers for the regional events.  Despite assurances this has reduced over the last couple of events.  I understand the requirements for Priority Club and TSP etc (and do not have a problem with that), but would still like to see a minimum of 125 (possibly up to 150) spots for online qualifiers.  That might mean increasing the total number to possible 200 for each event.

    Finally, the popularity of the Tour is growing, so it must be catered for!

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  • SUPERNOVASUPERNOVA
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better. : Brighton G - not a suitable venue on numerous counts. Brighton G & Thanet. Both are at (UK) Geographical extremeties, & as such, are awkward for 90% of the players to get to. Coastal venues in the South, East, or West will always be a travel nightmare for the greater p art of our Community. We have to try to "most please most people", & those Venues do not satisfy that criteria. Think simple geographical logistics. 90% of our players can more easily get to, say, Luton, or the Midlands, or the North, than a venue on a Coastal extremity. Fox Club. A very well-run venue. BUT...err.....sponsored by another Online Poker Room. (This argument might also apply to DTD, it could be argued, but that would be incorrect, for a whole tranche of reasons).
    Posted by Tikay10
    The Fox is a good venue but as you say sponsored by another site, also and a big no no is the lack of parking, there is no on site parking and the nearest public car park is the China Town NCP which is horrendously busy due to the location (Chinatown, West End theatres and Soho) it is therefore very difficult for disabled access and also expensive :-(.
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    What a great thread!  There are some tremendous ideas here (particularly Solar and Lol Raise), which I am sure SKY will take on board to give us an even better tour for 2011-2012.  Personally I love these events and am hoping to qualify for my 12th event in Cardiff.  My first was Edinburgh in Jan 2009. I am likely to continue supporting the Tour, no matter what the format, but there a couple of things that I would not like to see change. 1.  No earlier start time.  I consider the time between registration at 12.00 noon and tournie start time at 2.00pm as invaluable.  This is the time that you meet up with old (and new) friends and to me is a very important aspect of the event. 2.  No direct buy ins.  Let's maintain satellite qualifying only.  This should ensure that all SKY players get more opportunity to have a go. Another couple of observations. 1.  With current satellite structures (pre semi) the blind levels are every 5 mins with steepish rises.  This means that most games become a "shove fest" quite quickly.  Perhaps less satellites with a longer clock could be considered. 2.  We have, over the last 2 years, been used to 125 qualifiers for the regional events.  Despite assurances this has reduced over the last couple of events.  I understand the requirements for Priority Club and TSP etc (and do not have a problem with that), but would still like to see a minimum of 125 (possibly up to 150) spots for online qualifiers.  That might mean increasing the total number to possible 200 for each event. Finally, the popularity of the Tour is growing, so it must be catered for!
    Posted by Dollie

    This.

    I hope Tikay listens to a voice of reason from someone much younger than himself :)

    Well said Gordon.
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  • SUPERNOVASUPERNOVA
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    Great thread (lol_Raise that was a cracking suggestion). I'll give you my thoughts later on but can I just quickly say do not do London (I'm saying this as a guy who was born and lives in London).  The niche the SPT has found is accessibility and friendliness to recreational players and people new to B&M poker as well as a happy community feel to the events.  London casino poker rooms are still full of tilt inducing condescending regs.  I know there are some everywhere but it seems to be magnified in London.  To be frank, London in general just isn't friendly. Also London accommodation is still pricey and you'll use so much accessibility for the average Sky player.  You'll end up with more people coming down just for the day rather than making a weekend out of it.
    Posted by TommyD
    +1
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  • SUPERNOVASUPERNOVA
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    What a great thread!  There are some tremendous ideas here (particularly Solar and Lol Raise), which I am sure SKY will take on board to give us an even better tour for 2011-2012.  Personally I love these events and am hoping to qualify for my 12th event in Cardiff.  My first was Edinburgh in Jan 2009. I am likely to continue supporting the Tour, no matter what the format, but there a couple of things that I would not like to see change. 1.  No earlier start time.  I consider the time between registration at 12.00 noon and tournie start time at 2.00pm as invaluable.  This is the time that you meet up with old (and new) friends and to me is a very important aspect of the event. 2.  No direct buy ins.  Let's maintain satellite qualifying only.  This should ensure that all SKY players get more opportunity to have a go. Another couple of observations. 1.  With current satellite structures (pre semi) the blind levels are every 5 mins with steepish rises.  This means that most games become a "shove fest" quite quickly.  Perhaps less satellites with a longer clock could be considered. 2.  We have, over the last 2 years, been used to 125 qualifiers for the regional events.  Despite assurances this has reduced over the last couple of events.  I understand the requirements for Priority Club and TSP etc (and do not have a problem with that), but would still like to see a minimum of 125 (possibly up to 150) spots for online qualifiers.  That might mean increasing the total number to possible 200 for each event. Finally, the popularity of the Tour is growing, so it must be catered for!
    Posted by Dollie
    Well said, also perhaps as the SPT is unique in that is built around the regular players more so than any other live event that I canthink of, has the possibility of just allowing regulars i.e. those who have had an account say for over 6 months to try and qualify? Just a thought as some of the sats did get a little out of hand with the local population now and then ( remember what happened to Sian/Yorkie74 for one) or is this an unfair point as many of them are now regular week in/week out Sky poker players?

    Just asking...:-)
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  • SPTSPT
    edited May 2011
    the issue of capacity is a tricky one, and has been across the UK festival/live poker scene for years..

    Some of the SPT venues to date fit 200, many squeeze in 150, 170 at a pinch

    and of course if you go over 150 runners at a one day event then you have structure and finish time issues

    As to guests, there is no deliberate policy to offer fewer seats through online qualification, its merely a function of pressure on seats from various sources...eg every time you see a forum competition offer an SPT seat, then that has an impact. Priority club, team sky poker, etc etc.

    At Leeds I ended up with 10 seats spare on the day (not ideal, but didn't have the certainty of availability to put them on sale as last minute satellites), so as a last gasp many community members can usually look to direct buy in at a late stage.

    to square this circle, of higher demand for seats, capacity problems, structure issues then you can see why two day events might be an option, at least for aprt of the nxt series




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  • gixxerk4gixxerk4
    edited May 2011
    Hi TK
    Would also like to see a scottish event again for obvious reasons lol
    Possible venue could be the circus casino in edinburgh think they could manage the numbers only issue would be dealers but with a bit of planning im sure they could source some (and there are 6 or 7 players that deal the cash games there).

    Would prefer a slightly longer structure say 8000 chips and a few more blind levels suggest a noon start (although this may prove a problem for team knight plop as they will still be majorly hung over ;-0)
    and maybe flatten the structure near final table if time allows.
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  • SPTSPT
    edited May 2011
    Circus Casino Edinburgh: Disabled access issues when I checked last. If not, would be happy to hear it

    12pm starts are a no go for any venue, staffing and cost issues

    extra blind levels? more chips? Not unless you want to finish a one day event after 3am, or run fewer runners
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  • shazallinshazallin
    edited May 2011
    How come an early start is a no go becuase of cost isues but a 2 day event is under consideration?


    Not a biggy but can we change the food??? bun g the Casions a few extra quid to get curry of the menu??? or at least a selcetion of food.  Never been to an spt only watch the live feed/threads on here but always seems to be curry and nobdy ever seems to be very happy about it.  If i was to qulaify for one next year (which i hope to do) id have to run around and find the nearest chippy!


    Shaz
    xxx
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  • SPTSPT
    edited May 2011
    12pm starts is down to casino shifts, and rota patterns for dealing staff.

    Not easy to get sufficient dealers to start a competition for 12pm! Not easy to persuade casinos to pay dealers extra for an early start
    So 2 dayers are possible but early starts are tricky


    Food, again a balance between good quality and cost. Some venues better than others

    An option might be not to do any food at all (seriously), and let everyone choose from a casino menu?
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    12pm starts is down to casino shifts, and rota patterns for dealing staff. Not easy to get sufficient dealers to start a competition for 12pm! Not easy to persuade casinos to pay dealers extra for an early start So 2 dayers are possible but early starts are tricky Food, again a balance between good quality and cost. Some venues better than others An option might be not to do any food at all (seriously), and let everyone choose from a casino menu?
    Posted by SPT
    Surely timing is then an issue too.

    Having a set buffett means it can be prepared by the kitchen and ready for whenever the dinner break is.

    Theres no way you could get 100 or so people seated in the restaurant, orders places, all different types of food cooked and then eaten in the 45 minute break.  You'd have to then extend it to an hour/hour and a half which then affects the tournie.

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  • dylan12dylan12
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better. : Surely timing is then an issue too. Having a set buffett means it can be prepared by the kitchen and ready for whenever the dinner break is. Theres no way you could get 100 or so people seated in the restaurant, orders places, all different types of food cooked and then eaten in the 45 minute break.  You'd have to then extend it to an hour/hour and a half which then affects the tournie.
    Posted by scotty77
    I presume he means no 45 mins dinner break which allows play to continue and people can order food and eat whenever they want - this adds a couple of extra levels maybe. 

    If the above is not the case then yes I agree Scotty. 
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  • SPTSPT
    edited May 2011
    No, I mean have NO long break, and people order to have at the table when it suits them

    that way you fit an extra level in..or add more to starting stack
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  • dylan12dylan12
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    No, I mean have NO long break, and people order to have at the table when it suits them that way you fit an extra level in..or add more to starting stack
    Posted by SPT
    Beat you to it wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

    Type faster please ;) 
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited May 2011
    I wouldn't like that....my biggest gripe in poker are people trying to eat steaks on one of those tiny tables while in a hand.  So tilting.
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  • AmarieAmarie
    edited May 2011
    Great thread and some fantastic suggestions - well done Sky (as usual)

    But please lets not forget...SPT's are a great excuse for a weekend away, to meet up with some friends who we dont see all that often, to have some fun and if we win a bit of money in the main event or the sngs its a bonus, so what ever changes happen lets enjoy, and shuffle up and deal

    See you all in Cardiff

    xxx
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  • monkey123monkey123
    edited May 2011
    Nice thread

    Some really good points made i have noticed a few people refering to the satelites can sometimes be harsh to get in the main event sometimes, and would like to see direct buyins !!! would it be possible to add rebuys for the satelites ? maybe not for  the semi (or not just for the semi) but in smaller sats ? as some of the satelites didnt bring in big fields on certain days of the week so a rebuy option could generate more seats for the people that try to get in every night with a smaller field ? i for one would welcome a rebuy spt satelite rather then wait 24hrs for another attempt the next day ? again im not saying add rebuy for them all because some people are against rebuys maybe just some select days add a rebuy ?

    Monkey123
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  • MAZERAIDERMAZERAIDER
    edited May 2011
    In Response to SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    Morning. With the need to book venues, "slots" in the calendar, & staff resource, early, planning for the 2011/12 Sky Poker Tour has commenced, with preparatory planning meetings having taken place recently.   Proposed costs (to the Company) need to be budgeted, too, & the budget deadline for the next financial year is near at hand. So, now is your chance to tell us what you would like to see in next season's Sky Poker Tour. We are just asking what you most like, or dislike, what could or should be better, bigger, smaller, different, whatever, & we will listen to all reasoned input, &, if we think it will work, it will be considered, & perhaps implemented. Feel free to include in your suggestions comments as to buy-in amounts, satellite structure, the structure of the SPT weekend as a whole, venues, dates, Live Streams, commentaries, folks from 865, Celebs, Poker Pros, anything which you think will not only help Sky Poker Tour remain as good as it has been, etc, but to get better. It's becoming an established Tour now, but we can't stand still, we have to innovate & improve, & keep making it different, & better. Please remember, it's essentially about player involvement, & the toughest trick is to please as many as possible, without displeasing too many. So, fire away, we are.....   There are various criteria as to Venues & other stuff, which MUST be adhered to, by the way, which I will outline in my next Post.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Hi everyone my thoughts are that.the buy in is to big for a community day of poker, when the first spt took place it was not about the money £55, it was about the community, people could afford to buy straight in, u could run this torny over two days and everyone could get a seat with straight buyin or sats,there are a lot of disappointed players whos bankroll only lets them have a couple of gos at it although  the money is great, i think  it should be about the players having a good time, so drop the buyin and everyone will get a seat not just the ones who can afford it. good or not so good players, its about the community yea baby
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  • EyemanEyeman
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better. : Thanks Andrew, & yes, it's on the "we plan to take a look" list. PS - What a wonderful description of The Vic, & some if it's (ex) regulars! Do you remember Mr " One Seat heeeeere "? I think he's in prison, now, for fraud & embezzlement!
    Posted by Tikay10
    Site ban required for Tikay apostrophe abuse.
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  • EyemanEyeman
    edited May 2011
    Loving this thread. been to quite a few SPTs, and echo many of the things aid by others. Don't start early - let us chatter with our online buddies. Make it 2 days - many of us have travelled a good distance. A shove fest after 4 levels does nobody any credit. Satellites only to the events, no direct buy-ins (even for the big moeny men) - obviously guests, TSP etc are ok. Loved Lisa-Marie's hosting of the event in Leeds (which surprised me by putting on a decent event) - shame they didn't have the acument o run a Saturday evening tourney without us badgering them - they very nearly lost about 50 punters to the Alea, which would have put a dampener on the main event too.

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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    Circus Casino Edinburgh: Disabled access issues when I checked last. If not, would be happy to hear it 12pm starts are a no go for any venue, staffing and cost issues extra blind levels? more chips? Not unless you want to finish a one day event after 3am, or run fewer runners
    Posted by SPT
    I spoke to a guy tonight about the circus and he said that a lift was in place for disabled accsess.

    Size of it is good, and its a nice building.

    However i still dislike the venue as the last time i was there i ordered a pint, i still havent recieved this pint. waited a whole year for it.

    However if it meant having a SPT north of the border then im all for it. Although im not sure they could hold 150 people, plus a Camera crew and Live stream crew. The poker tables seemed so cramped up to deal with 116 the last time i played there.
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  • MachkaMachka
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    just for info Sky Poker pays a fee for running the main event NOT for the use of the facilities for free for other events Aaron writes SnG's Pre-approved SnG's with the casino Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  Often it is hard if not impossible to arrange a SnG and when we do we are paying what seems like a lot to play when I'd assumed that Sky Poker had already paid the casino for use of the facilities.  Luton 2010/2011 has always set the benchmark for SnG's.  It seems that we pay for a set of chips and deck and can play as many SnG's as we please. So much of this is incorrect. Tricky to pre-approve SNGs as so often capacity depends on dealer and player availability The provision of SNGs is not already paid for
    Posted by SPT
    I wasn't aware of what Sky Poker paid for and what they didn't, thanks for clarifying.

    This does not change the fact that side action is a major part of Sky Poker Tours.  By "Pre-approved SnG's" I meant that players if they wished could easily access chips and cards which has always been the case at Luton, less so elsewhere.

    By 8pm there would usually be 50+ players who have been knocked out with nothing to do, they may have a choice to enter the house tournament, if there is one, and play with other people they don't know or start some SnG's and play with fellow Sky Poker Players, which is the point of the weekends.

    DTD is absolutely the worst for side-games.  All the other tour events I would happily pay to travel to and book a hotel for 1 or 2 nights and not play the main event, playing only in the side-games.  At DTD for a player who is knocked out early or is just there railing friends there is absolutely nothing to do.  It's a shame the grand final tour event is the least fun, unless you run deep.

    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    Side Events Guaranteed Saturday evening side tournament.  At Leeds there was to be no side tournament, at about 6pm I heard many players were planning on leaving the casino to go and play an 8pm tournament elsewhere Who would you want to guarantee the side tournament? There was not a side tournament scheduled for Leeds, no One idea being worked on for next year is a scheduled Saturday evening tournament at each SPT
    Posted by SPT
    By guarantee, I mean ensure the casino will be running a side tournament on the Saturday evening, if demand is there.  If 40 players at 7.30pm decided there wasn't much for them to do but a casino 10 minutes up the road was running a tournament so left, wouldn't that somewhat ruin a Sky Poker weekend?

    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    Celebs Sometimes they have been great, sometimes they only add value to the players they are immediately sat next to.  e.g. Ian Frazer played the ME, stayed for SnG's and played the other side event in the evening. Kitty Lea came along for the Friday tournament, stayed until late.  Played in the Saturday tournament, stayed for the late evening SnG's.  John McCrurick arrived just before the ME on Saturday, bust out, left. Those that want to enjoy the weekend please invite, those that arrive, bust and are leaving the casino before their chips are pushed to the winner aren't worth inviting. There has already been a move away from non-poker celebs, though this is pressure of numbers as much as anything. With more seats being taken up by competition winners, Priority Club, team sky poker etc then I would not expect that to change for next year I don't agree that Barry Carter was a disappointing guest. Not least because the coverage he gave the event afterwards was excellent
    Posted by SPT
    I don't think that was directly aimed at my comment but as it was replied to after quoting me I'd just like to clarify that Barry was a great guest.  Almost as good as Carlo's mum. ;-)

    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    I have chatted with many first time SPT players and seen so many posters on the forum without a clue what they've really won when they win a seat at an SPT.  As a minimum there should be a static page on Sky Poker with basic details about how a normal SPT weekend runs I can write the page easily, and earlier. This might well be necessary as SPT 2011-12 is looking like a more complex animal. As to static pages and emailing it, I have to bounce that through to people in Sky
    Posted by SPT
    I think some form of direct contact with players would really be beneficial.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited May 2011

    Thanks for all the feedback, some terrific stuff in there, all of which has been noted, though not all of it can be implemented.

    Planning for next season is now well advanced, & the spend will be considerably more than hitherto.

    We cannot be all things to all men, but hopefully, there will be something for everyone, though I doubt everyone will be happy. In fact, I'm sure they won't, such is life.

    More details soon, after the feedback has been absorbed, & the details finalised.

    I'd just remind everyone that what SPT aims to do is.....

    1) Help build, & give something back to, our Community, which is as strong as any.

    2) Raise the profile of Sky Poker.

    3) Satisfy our existing Clients, & encourage new Clients to join.

    I think all those boxes will be well & truly ticked. 
     
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  • HAPPYNIGE4HAPPYNIGE4
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    venues: previously used:   blackpool /  manchester / newcastle /  nottingham /  luton /  birmingham / cardiff new suggestions: sheffield / stoke / london  Live stream: keep it as it is in terms on general coverage as it gives people a nice experience of being shown on the tv asked questions and recieve rubdowns lol. Tikay mentioned a feature table perhaps, i like the idea, maybe run it on every final table, this can then all be edited and commentated on for a seperate show to be shown on 865, would be pretty cool. be amazing for those who final table one of them. I know the live stream captures everything as it happens, but a more in depth look at he final table would be good.  Structure: I like the idea of them being 2 day events, it means the overall structure can be changed, deeper starting stacks, slightly longer blind levels etc. also lots of people have asked for events on the sunday, if the SPT is 2 days then players will have friends possibly still in the tournament come sunday and so they can play the side event whilst the SPT continues. would also give people the incentive to make it an even longer weekend. me personally i always like to get back for the big sunday games but if i made day 2 of the SPT event i would be delighted.  I think the Grand Final could be huuuuuge next year, mega! advertise it everywhere, the chance for sky to get their name out further and to attract players to come and play the grand final thus hooking them with the site. dont make it a weekend, make it a 5 day festival of poker. running different tournaments throughout the week in build up to the main event. players come from everywhere to play these festivals, sky's could be the same. the main event could even become a 3 day event, same structure as the gukpt etc. then have big side events running on the days 2 and 3 League: The league idea suggested would be pretty cool, with prizes for the top say 10 overall prizes ranging from TSP membership, entries to the next years tour, tournament entries etc. food for thought
    Posted by hurst05
    +1 to all 
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  • ZZCopZZCop
    edited June 2011
    The SPTs are already excellent so there's not much in the way of changes needed but those below are my ideas for improvement.

    1, A longer structure - For the main tournament be changed in a similar way to the way tournaments on Sky have recently to this effect. At the moment it seems to me the main event is a bit 'all or fold' near to the end, reducing the skill level. I realise there is a lot of enjoyment to had but some players also like to take the main event seriously. I would not mind the tournament starting earlier or even going into a second day (though I realise some players may not welcome a stay over).

    2, More Publicity/Coverage - I would like to see a whole show or two on channel 865 made out of the SPT (not live) instead of the current 10 minute slots. These shows could include eg. more mentions/interviews/features of those taking part, in addition to the usual ones, more player staus/chip updates (as they do in tournaments on 865) and more hands shown (not just all ins). Sky Sports show the occasional Sky Poker Tournament, I think it would be a good idea to show the SPT show in this case.

    3, Displaying of Cards - Could extra cameras be added to certain/all of the tables so that cards/hands could be shown, similar to they way they do on the TV coverage for the WSOP? I presume you would need to get the consent of players by making it a condition of entry that their cards may be displayed on the TV.

    4, Number of SPTs - I would not mind an additional event or two so there is good coverage around the country but I realise budgets are an issue.

    5, Entrants -Please keep the the presenters, poker pros and celebrities participating in the SPTs though most players should be those playing on the site.

    6, Website - Would you please leave the information/photos etc. from previous SPTs on the website longer eg. as an archive section so that new or part time players can enjoy them? They seem to be removed too soon.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90
    edited June 2011
    Information on the Circus i was there on Saturday. Now i seen no way for a person in a wheelchair to get to the card room although i may have walked past a lift without realising. However there is a Disabled Toilet inside the cardroom at the far end from registration. Therefore im guessing they do have disabled access.
     
    If sky would like i could ask about this as i will be at the circus again this month
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  • sara36dd08sara36dd08
    edited June 2011


      hi

      love this thread

      just wondering why no one has mentioned the VIC casino

      seems to have everything we are looking for

      im sure lots of sky players would love the chance to play at this iconic venue

      once again just an idea
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  • MachkaMachka
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
    6, Website - Would you please leave the information/photos etc. from previous SPTs on the website longer eg. as an archive section so that new or part time players can enjoy them? They seem to be removed too soon.
    Posted by ZZCop
    http://picasaweb.google.com/SkyPokerTour

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  • MachkaMachka
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: SPT 2011/12 - help us make it better.:
      hi   love this thread   just wondering why no one has mentioned the VIC casino   seems to have everything we are looking for   im sure lots of sky players would love the chance to play at this iconic venue   once again just an idea
    Posted by sara36dd08
    DrMarbles/Tikay mentioned the Vic on Page 2.
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  • bigflop1bigflop1
    edited June 2011

    anyone who knows me knows that i love the spts and look forward to the S.Wales leg.. The only thing stopping me playing the other events is the structure.. I know the spt is about the fun had with friends we dont see all the time.  My concern would be travelling 4+ hours to another venue to - all in or fold after 2 hours of play..

    2 DAY Sounds great tom me!!

    + i like the sound of league points after each event

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