R,N.G. good or bad

drumahai05

i think sky needs  to look and take note of what they read in area 51. the rng they are using is killing the site, it promotes limping, it crushes  bigger % hands on the river to often. they say this happens because of the large amount of hands played if this were the case were are all the royal flushes. it seems more like its geared to the game being played then random. if the rng was acting in a random manner you would expect to see a full range of hands over time, you would not expect to be crushed on the river so often. tk says only bad players limp. or is it more like they are the clever ones who see their rag A turn into something big on the flop to many times to be random. i must make its clear i do not think this site is rigged, to favor anyone. i believe that the software is bad and needs sorting. i don't expect to be winning all the time, and do expect a bad beat now and then. but not on most of my games.so yes elsadog keep watching i think you are right

AMYBR

Last time there was an earnest thread on this subject it was closed as it ran its course apparently.  Hope this one fares better

Anyone end up getting an answer to why the other thread was closed, beyond "it had run its course"?  Unlike all the other threads that lie dormat AND OPEN which have INFACT "run their course", yet remain open.............

DOHHHHHHH

Its often said that the people who defend the site "don't listen to what the doubters say"

I think it's the other way round.

Do you ever listen to people who try to convince you that poker is a volatile game, where lots and losts of unusual things will happen?

Do you ever listen to people who tell you to watch and learn from good players?

Do you ever see good players limp? (how often?) (why not?)

The thing is.....

I used to think that I was a sh!t hot poker player. I used to think I could beat anyone sat at my table, no matter who they were.

Since then, I've learnt 10x the stuff I used to know.

And now, I've just become a very average player, beating below average games.

You are soooooooooooooo far behind, you have no idea.

drumahai05

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Its often said that the people who defend the site "don't listen to what the doubters say" I think it's the other way round. Do you ever listen to people who try to convince you that poker is a volatile game, where lots and losts of unusual things will happen? Do you ever listen to people who tell you to watch and learn from good players? Do you ever see good players limp? (how often?) (why not?) The thing is..... I used to think that I was a sh!t hot poker player. I used to think I could beat anyone sat at my table, no matter who they were. Since then, I've learnt 10x the stuff I used to know. And now, I've just become a very average player, beating below average games. You are soooooooooooooo far behind, you have no idea.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

doh i have been playing poker for fun before you were a twinkle in your dads eye i never run a player down good or bad. i try to respect all opinions, i know i am an nit and have no trouble going deep in most games, my comments are related to the software not the site. the rng system is now being questioned world wide. WHY. I,M LOOKING FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE NOT RIDICULE. i do not think mine is bigger then yours. i just want peoples views

DOHHHHHHH

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In Response to Re: R,N.G. good or bad : doh i have been playing poker for fun before you were a twinkle in your dads eye i never run a player down good or bad. i try to respect all opinions, i know i am an nit and have no trouble going deep in most games, my comments are related to the software not the site. the rng system is now being questioned world wide. WHY. I,M LOOKING FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE NOT RIDICULE. i do not think mine is bigger then yours. i just want peoples views
Posted by drumahai05

Game's changed dude.

Sooner u realise that, the better.

grantorino

the problem is the way our minds are wired. We expect to win everytime we get our money in good, we only remember times we get sucked out on or coolered. I have played very few tourneys here but have done well in them, which nearly certainly means I am running hot. I cannot remember inflicting any really bad beats and have suffered a few really bad ones. Is this really the way it happened? i think its hugely unlikely tbh, its just how I remember it and its true of most players

baggs

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Its often said that the people who defend the site "don't listen to what the doubters say" I think it's the other way round. Do you ever listen to people who try to convince you that poker is a volatile game, where lots and losts of unusual things will happen? Do you ever listen to people who tell you to watch and learn from good players? Do you ever see good players limp? (how often?) (why not?) The thing is..... I used to think that I was a sh!t hot poker player. I used to think I could beat anyone sat at my table, no matter who they were. Since then, I've learnt 10x the stuff I used to know. And now, I've just become a very average player, beating below average games. You are soooooooooooooo far behind, you have no idea.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

I have truly never laughed so hard... you still do. Your ego is so far in advance of your skill quite frankly its a bit embarassing

DOHHHHHHH

Did you miss the bit where I said I'm an average player beating below average games?

Abit like you.

baggs

All I read was you attempting to belittle and patronise someone else because they dont share your view, its not very nice.

I just cant fathom why someone who has absolutely no concerns about an RNG spends so long trawling an area of the forum specifically put aside for moans, groans and conspiracies - Perhaps you might share?

And you have absolutely no idea of my standard but I assure you its significantly less than average but then Im not trying to make a living from it!

DOHHHHHHH

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All I read was you attempting to belittle and patronise someone else because they dont share your view, its not very nice. I just cant fathom why someone who has absolutely no concerns about an RNG spends so long trawling an area of the forum specifically put aside for moans, groans and conspiracies - Perhaps you might share? And you have absolutely no idea of my standard but I assure you its significantly less than average but then Im not trying to make a living from it!
Posted by baggs

It's not my view, it's fact. 

AMYBR

Your becoming a bit like a pantamime villain doh

baggs

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In Response to Re: R,N.G. good or bad : It's not my view, it's fact. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Oh ok, in that case I'm convinced

SighKO

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i think sky needs  to look and take note of what they read in area 51. the rng they are using is killing the site, it promotes limping, it crushes  bigger % hands on the river to often. they say this happens because of the large amount of hands played if this were the case were are all the royal flushes. it seems more like its geared to the game being played then random. if the rng was acting in a random manner you would expect to see a full range of hands over time, you would not expect to be crushed on the river so often. tk says only bad players limp. or is it more like they are the clever ones who see their rag A turn into something big on the flop to many times to be random. i must make its clear i do not think this site is rigged, to favor anyone. i believe that the software is bad and needs sorting. i don't expect to be winning all the time, and do expect a bad beat now and then. but not on most of my games.so yes elsadog keep watching i think you are right
Posted by drumahai05

Drumahai05

Not sure if this is tongue in cheek, I think it must be, but surely you don't take this as gospel... I thought seriously about answering this but just in case you have any doubts..... NOT ONLY BAD PLAYERS LIMP.... there are countless times when you have to limp for various reasons which are pretty self explanitory........ I don't want to come accross as patronising, but seriously forget that nonsense or at least tell me the next game you are playing.

atb pal

Crunchybob

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Your becoming a bit like a pantamime villain doh
Posted by AMYBR

Lol although this is a joke, i don't see why everyone has ago at Dohh for, he spends his OWN time on the Clinic helping beginners and other players with hands giving them advice, which is something he doesn't have to do.

Ppl come on Area 51, their first ever sky poker post, is too complain about something, the RNG or that sky poker is fixed blah blah blah.

My advice, get over it, learn to play better and move on.

back in feb i was one of these guys moaning about sky poker, i was playing terrible and sucked so much, i lost about £20 and gave up(thankfully).

What did i do, i watched videos, read strategies, watched poker online etc..

Then i get a free £5, which ive now increased to £80 br in about 2 weeks.

That is all

tallboy

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In Response to Re: R,N.G. good or bad : Lol although this is a joke, i don't see why everyone has ago at Dohh for, he spends his OWN time on the Clinic helping beginners and other players with hands giving them advice, which is something he doesn't have to do. Ppl come on Area 51, their first ever sky poker post, is too complain about something, the RNG or that sky poker is fixed blah blah blah. My advice, get over it, learn to play better and move on. back in feb i was one of these guys moaning about sky poker, i was playing terrible and sucked so much, i lost about £20 and gave up(thankfully). What did i do, i watched videos, read strategies, watched poker online etc.. Then i get a free £5, which ive now increased to £80 br in about 2 weeks. That is all
Posted by Crunchybob

+1 If we were all the same on this site it would be so boring. I fell out with him when he first started on this site, but in my opinion he offers a lot to this forum and he's a decent bloke.

SighKO

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In Response to Re: R,N.G. good or bad : Lol although this is a joke, i don't see why everyone has ago at Dohh for, he spends his OWN time on the Clinic helping beginners and other players with hands giving them advice, which is something he doesn't have to do. Ppl come on Area 51, their first ever sky poker post, is too complain about something, the RNG or that sky poker is fixed blah blah blah. My advice, get over it, learn to play better and move on. back in feb i was one of these guys moaning about sky poker, i was playing terrible and sucked so much, i lost about £20 and gave up(thankfully). What did i do, i watched videos, read strategies, watched poker online etc.. Then i get a free £5, which ive now increased to £80 br in about 2 weeks. That is all
Posted by Crunchybob

Crunchie

Don't include me in that. I've never had a go at him. He might be the pantamine (don't think I've ever typed that word before!!) villan, but in a kind of educated, respected way....I think he likes it anyway  

SighKO

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oops shudda read it properly  soz crunch

Crunchybob

I mean, some of his posts are so intricate and detailed, he could spend ages on one single hand helping someone...i find it difficult to write a couple of lines whilst multi-tabling lol

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh you should be able to say what you feel without worrying about how people will take it. 

You can have an argument about something, once it's over, settled or not, you move on and get on with it.

When it comes to poker, you gotta be honest with people if you wanna help them. The analysis on the show about some of the play is really toned down, for obvious reasons. If they were giving brutally honest analysis, people would be offended and maybe not play anymore.

Posting volunarily on an open forum means you put yourself up for critisism, as people have the right to reply as they see fit, without anything holding them back.

Why do I try to help people?

Simply because helping other people in turn helps myself. 

I wish someone better than me would take my game, rip it completely to shreds, tell me how bad I am, and how I could get better. But it would probably cost me alot of money for their service.

The first 2 weeks of May were hell for me on the tables. I took 2 hours time out to play nl4 and write a strategy post for some of my "virtual poker m8s" who had been struggling at that level.

I went right back to basics. Since I did that, I've had the best fortnight of my year so far.

Talking about poker, and poker related things improves me as a player. I was a break even player before I found sky 18 months ago,m and I had never posted on or read a forum in my life.

18 months and 8 thousand forum posts later, I'm 10 times the player I was, crushing the games I play in, and making really good money out of something I enjoy.

I'm still nowhere near my potential. Hopefully in another 18 months and when I have 16,000 forum posts I'll be alot closer to where I wanna be.

But to the people who dislike my manner, or the amount I post, or whatever,....... sure If I help people learn it's a bonus, but first and foremost I do it to help myself. 

edit - make that 9 thousand !! * :S

AMYBR

I hope you realise why I chose pantomine villain doh

It was meant in the most friendly way.  You do seem to have become a bit of a lightening rod for abuse, seems to me your up to the challenge though

unknown_username

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I hope you realise why I chose pantomine villain doh It was meant in the most friendly way.  You do seem to have become a bit of a lightening rod for abuse, seems to me your up to the challenge though
Posted by AMYBR

Oh No he isn't!

DOHHHHHHH

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I hope you realise why I chose pantomine villain doh It was meant in the most friendly way.  You do seem to have become a bit of a lightening rod for abuse, seems to me your up to the challenge though
Posted by AMYBR

Lol, this is nothing new mate.

I've pretty much had it from day 1 on this forum (alot of it my own fault)

I play 30nl, when I took a shot at 300nl on the Saturday night cash programme, I got all my money in with a set on the flop, as a big favourite against a straight draw.

He got there, I logged straight off naturally, didn't want to play anymore......

I woke up the next morning, to a thread in the poker clinic saying what a plonker I was for going all in. It had 30+ replies. lol.

It's just standard.......but that's the way it should be.

Been said many times before, but it is an 18+ site ffs. 

Banter for some people is laughing at TK's man bag, or Orford's spot the sausage thing.

For others, it's a more grown up version of banter, which involves ripping the p 1ss and rubbing ppl down......

Both are fine.

Sometimes on here people argue over nothing for the sake of arguing! 

Man up

SighKO

I'm only a kid you know that :0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc1bSB3gCMo

He's behind you

DOHHHHHHH

looooool!! That is pretty funny tbf.

The woman gets told the answer n still gets it wrong.

Bangtastic.

SighKO

I just think its funny cos nobody wants to talk to him, there's nobody on the phone, then all of a sudden Orford so enthusiastically says

 "Ah we've got somedody on line 3 ...Hello, who's that, where do you come from/"

......"H..e..l...l..o   it's Darren"    (I've got a such a deep voice and I talk so slow, I've got a serious attitude, and I really can't be bothered with this)  

That's twice I've watched this 5h1t now, never ever again

drumahai05

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In Response to Re: R,N.G. good or bad : Game's changed dude. Sooner u realise that, the better.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH[/Hi doh

 you are missing the point. i am not trying to criticise anyone sky or players, in another thread i would applaud the way you help others. i asked for advice once and you were the the only one to reply. i thank you for that, what im trying to do is start a debate on rng,s and how sites use them. i have a theory. if the thread gets going i will explain it. its not a fanciful one, its one put together after months of research.

so lets get a debate going on rng,s and your perception on how online sites use them, for the benefit of their customer's or their own commercial needs

DOHHHHHHH

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 lets get a debate going on rng,s and your perception on how online sites use them, for the benefit of their customer's or their own commercial needs
Posted by drumahai05

Well I don't know what to say to this?

The burden of proof is on people who suspect that the rng is faulty, or that sites manipulate the rng for their own benefit, or whatever it might be that you're suggesting!......

........So go for it........

AMYBR

A thought did occur to me quite clearly last night DOh, which I have to put up.  I was going to put it in its own thread. but here is as good a place as any.

Your are a huge advocate of online poker, you present your arguments and counter arguments in a very diplomatice relative way... for the most part

I kind of feel that there is a bit of a flaw to your logic perhaps though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

By your own admission you've never played Live, so how do you have a frame of reference to compare the action online with Live?

Some guy in here said he'd been playing poker longer than you've been a twinkle in someones eye.  I dont know if you can dismiss others point of view so readily when you have no live experience, to see how the action compares.

Not jumping on the bandwagon bud, it just occured to me last night and felt sure you'd have an appropriate response

DOHHHHHHH

I have played live....lots.....

Just never in a casino/card room, and never for any significant money.

I played in a pub poker league 3 nights a week for around a year....(I won a DVD player once )

Alot of the players were worse than nl4 standard here, as you would expect in a free league tournament, which of course threw up many ridiculous out draws/runner runner/backdoor straights when a guy should have folded etc etc etc.....

Ofc the amount of hands I saw dealt live (a years worth) was only like a few weeks worth of online grinding, so my sample is tiny, but to get a significant sample of live hands I'd have to play three nights a week for 35 years, and I don't fancy that.

AMYBR

Oh, i could have sworn I'd heard you say you never played live, but I guess you meant you've never played live for any significant amount of money?

Pub poker is dreadful, but great for the industry.  Have been at DTD twice when the redttooth National final plays.  Its great.  You havve 200 players going bust with one pair deep in the tournament, then they come and sit at the cash games and do the same

DOHHHHHHH

Yeh I do say I havent played live, maybe I shouldn't as I have, but I haven't really......

:P

Some of the players used to run a money game after.....

They used to ask if "anyone wanted to play a cash game"

 

Only their version of a "cash game" is a sng with a buy in - Which tilted the sh 1t outta me.....

I played a proper cash game 1 Sunday afternoon in a pub, we started at 1, it was a 10/20p game, I bought in for 20 quid, and was up to 150 by 6pm. By 9pm I'd done the lot, and spent 40 quid on ale in the process! haha.

Drink much faster in pubs, drunken online poker is alot safer

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I wouldn't mind playing some live poker, but I live in Doncaster, and the nearest casino/cardroom is a 35 min drive away in Sheffield. Theres no way I could go out and "have fun" playing poker without having a few beers, which means I can't drive to the game. 

I wouldn't mind getting the train, but they stop running at home time.

I would never play a live tourny, but would give the cash games a good crack.

They need to build a casino in Donny