Only idiots on sky poker would call this huge raise pre flop.

avfcalex

shanterSmall blind 100.00100.005610.00avfcalexBig blind 200.00300.005165.00 Your hole cards10A   STILETTOFold    xCall 200.00500.0013275.00TANIELLE21Fold    hatetrainsFold    shanterFold    avfcalexRaise 2200.002700.002965.00xCall 2200.004900.0011075.00Flop  759   avfcalexAll-in 2965.007865.000.00xCall 2965.0010830.008110.00avfcalexShow10A   xShowK3   Turn  Q   River  3   xWinPair of 3s10830.00 18940.0

I mean, come on.. it's getting to a point now where i'm seriously considering stopping playing on sky. What idiot, deep into a tourny calls a 10xbb pre flop raise (blinds 100/200) with k3. then pot committed or not continues to call a further 30 x bb ALL in shove with NOTHING on the flop. It's my nothing, vs. his nothing i guess some of you are gonna say, but please read the hand history carefully before you tell me i'm stupid for playing the hand the way i did. He is stupid for calling this in the first place, for in total over a third of his stack. The players on the table said 'mate, that's sky for ya.. getting smaller stacks out so the tourny moves on' .. another said ' see it day in day out, sky poker rewards idiots'.

I have a tendancy to agree with both.

Rant over.

Hi, I have deleted the other players name, as naming and shaming is against the forum rules.

Thanks for your understanding

Modkiwini

DOHHHHHHH

lol wtf is going on with this whole hand!!??

The_Don90

lol just lol

AMYBR

not just idiots on "sky poker bud".

Plkaying 1/2 at table of super lags.  4 limps, I find AA on button make it £42 to go.  one call by A7, flop up and down improve to up and down and flush draw at turn.  "idiots" everywhere bud.

BgDonKing

''But it was soooted''     DIE FISH DIIIIEEE!!

grantorino

nice open to 11BB when 25BB deep

god bless the idots

loonytoons

typical on the river lol

JockBMW

Ah the old "11 x the BB " raise,  that one usually works ;o)

unknown_username

All in with 10,As?? That's a 15-1 chance of hitting a flush by the river, and only a 30% chance of an Ace hitting the board by the river. Not good odds to jam it all in on me thinks?

67Bhoys

We're going to need a bigger aquarium!

IRISHROVER

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Posted by 67Bhoys

love it .

AMYBR

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All in with 10,As?? That's a 15-1 chance of hitting a flush by the river, and only a 30% chance of an Ace hitting the board by the river. Not good odds to jam it all in on me thinks?
Posted by Goethe

I dont think the bet is designed to generate a pot bud.  He's clearly not looking for a call I'd of thought?  Once he has committed this much of his stack pre I think he pretty much has to jam any flop.  It has very little to do with making his hand.

walesboy

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We're going to need a bigger aquarium!
Posted by 67Bhoys

class just class!!!

Poker_Fail

But he would only gain 200 from this move and would (usually) only be called by better hands, so isn't it in  itself a fish move?

AMYBR

You mean pre flop?

Yeah i guess your right.  Thought you were referring to flop jam.  Pre it is OTT i agree.  Something can be said for putting in a bet that makes it clear your commiting yourself, but your likely right.  Pre flop bet increases stack by 20% and are OOP when called for less but 800 would have done the job your right.

spornybol

i`m not an idiot, i would say i am nut`s but at least i`m not insane ??? or am i all 3?

DAVEYZZ

dont know if he is an idiot or not but its not only on sky there are terrible players on all site's..thank goodness.

sky dont need to get shortstacks out to move the tourney on...

Batkin88

You kinda pot commited him with the most ridiculous raise pre and maybe he misread his spades for diamonds

avfcalex

As i thought. A number of sky's 'i'm the best and what you've done here is a fish move' players coming in with their irritating and boring opinions.

The huge and ridiculous pre flop bet by myself was a tester bet.. because this guy had pretty much been calling everything and winning. i just didn't realise he'd call with a hand THIS bad.

Oh, and for all the statos above, i'm pretty sure i see an ace before or on the river a lot more than 20% of the time or whatever it is someone said above, especially on sky.

My hand was suited, i had an ace with a good kicker, i see players shove or call with ace 5,6,7 regularly on this site.

DAVEYZZ

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As i thought. A number of sky's 'i'm the best and what you've done here is a fish move' players coming in with their irritating and boring opinions. The huge and ridiculous pre flop bet by myself was a tester bet.. because this guy had pretty much been calling everything and winning. i just didn't realise he'd call with a hand THIS bad. Oh, and for all the statos above, i'm pretty sure i see an ace before or on the river a lot more than 20% of the time or whatever it is someone said above, especially on sky. My hand was suited, i had an ace with a good kicker, i see players shove or call with ace 5,6,7 regularly on this site.
Posted by avfcalex

you said it yourself "tester bet"?
if it was a tester bet and he called 11xbb could he not have had aa.kk.qq?
so to then shove the flop is asking for trouble imo(for what it worth i used to shove a dry flop a lot) and its not a +ev play.

then you say you shoved the flop "because you see an ace on turn or river more than 20% of the time".........madness.

surely the real point is........you over raised with a suited ace....missed then shoved in the hope of hitting or getting the guy to fold......

rubbish preflop play......over agressive(but somtimes a winning move) flop play............

no offence intended..............i have......and still do play hands terribly.

gl,dave

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Only idiots on sky poker would call this huge raise pre flop.:

As i thought. A number of sky's 'i'm the best and what you've done here is a fish move' players coming in with their irritating and boring opinions. The huge and ridiculous pre flop bet by myself was a tester bet.. because this guy had pretty much been calling everything and winning. i just didn't realise he'd call with a hand THIS bad. Oh, and for all the statos above, i'm pretty sure i see an ace before or on the river a lot more than 20% of the time or whatever it is someone said above, especially on sky. My hand was suited, i had an ace with a good kicker, i see players shove or call with ace 5,6,7 regularly on this site.
Posted by avfcalex

No, the probability of an ace hitting the board is 30% - three aces left in the pack with 50 unseen cards pre-flop. 5 opportunities for an ace to show - flop, turn, river. So 3/50 x 5/1 = 15/50, or 30%. If your personal experience of matching any card after committing pre-flop is more frequent than this, it's simply the variance in how the cards fall.

It's a relatively simple calculation from which you can determine pot odds and the risk involved with shoving and being on the end of an early bath. Going up against just one opponent on a shove gets a return of just evens, even though the odds of you hitting your pair of aces was around 2-1. Whether that's a good return or not is fairly subjective, and many players will consistently chase such draws with cr@p hands - as indeed your opponent did. If eveyone did the most mathematically benefical thing, the game wouldn't be so variable as it is. At the lower levels, most players will chase marginal hands - ie an Ace, King, Queen and anything, or any pocket pair, and all will be rewarded at some stage for doing so.

bigal36903

HERES ONE FOR YOU.  i know he has 237 million outs and yet again it comes on the river.. maybe one time it will not come on the river since i have only won once with over cards with 15 cards to go at today out of 10 attempts..

Hand History #403397182 (17:45 16/08/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
KP301	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1870.00
joe575	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4330.00
	Your hole cards	Q Q
Carlos_	Fold
bigal36903	Raise		150.00	195.00	4000.00
KP301	Fold
joe575	Raise		600.00	795.00	3730.00
bigal36903	Call		480.00	1275.00	3520.00
Flop
		4 6 9
joe575	All-in		3730.00	5005.00	0.00
bigal36903	All-in		3520.00	8525.00	0.00
joe575	Unmatched bet		210.00	8315.00	210.00
joe575	Show	J A
bigal36903	Show	Q Q
Turn
		10
River
		A
joe575	Win	Pair of Aces	8315.00

avfcalex

Dave, i don't know how to explain my play. I never usually play hands like this, i played it because he was the last to act and he'd been calling everything previous. Literally everything. I knew my AT would be good, if he'd somehow hit good and i'd run into kings or something than it's fair enough, but he didn't he had K3 and still called my flop shove, which was a further massive amount to call. Even after completely missing the flop, with just king high he called it.

spornybol

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HERES ONE FOR YOU.  i know he has 237 million outs and yet again it comes on the river.. maybe one time it will not come on the river since i have only won once with over cards with 15 cards to go at today out of 10 attempts.. Hand History #403397182 (17:45 16/08/2011) Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance KP301 Small blind   15.00 15.00 1870.00 joe575 Big blind   30.00 45.00 4330.00   Your hole cards Q Q       Carlos_ Fold         bigal36903 Raise   150.00 195.00 4000.00 KP301 Fold         joe575 Raise   600.00 795.00 3730.00 bigal36903 Call   480.00 1275.00 3520.00 Flop     4 6 9       joe575 All-in   3730.00 5005.00 0.00 bigal36903 All-in   3520.00 8525.00 0.00 joe575 Unmatched bet   210.00 8315.00 210.00 joe575 Show J A       bigal36903 Show Q Q       Turn     10       River     A       joe575 Win Pair of Aces 8315.00
Posted by bigal36903

I`V HAD THAT NOTHING BUT FLUSH CHASERS THAT HAVE BEEN HITTING, I`V LOST WITH TRIPS AND TWO PAIR BECAUSE THEIR CHASING, WHAT`S WORSE THEY`VE HIT

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: Only idiots on sky poker would call this huge raise pre flop. : I`V HAD THAT NOTHING BUT FLUSH CHASERS THAT HAVE BEEN HITTING, I`V LOST WITH TRIPS AND TWO PAIR BECAUSE THEIR CHASING, WHAT`S WORSE THEY`VE HIT
Posted by spornybol

I think we all have. And it gets worse on a table where 8 of 10 players' strategy is to play the chasing game - at any one time with several in the hand at least one will hit their draw - you have to assume that any card on the board may have paired (A,2o seems to be a popular hand for some reason?). It's alright for people to insist that skill will win the day, but with too many loose players in a hand their actions do dilute down the advantage that "skill" brings - and the whole thing just decends into a lottery.

Poker is definitely a great game for those born lucky.

bigal36903

sorry to say, but there is no such thing as it comes back to you...

when it does can someone please tell me cos i have not got any back yet from these chasers..  they always seem to hit. in the tourny tonight i have seen the same guy make bad calls from behind and hit 4 times..

penguin7

Just cant see the point of the opening raise. What is it testing ? You are either going to end up winning the blinds or pot committed. So you might just as well open shove. Irrespective of his hand you were not in good shape on the flop.

These guys who play poor hands and have a run of hitting everything are annoying but the best way to beat them is by pot control until you have the nuts,when you will invariably get paid.

If you had played the hand normally and raised say 3BB pre, reevaluated on the flop, you would then be able to decide on waiting for a better spot or cbetting potsize. He would then be more likely to let go.

dtm75

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Irrespective of his hand you were not in good shape on the flop. These guys who play poor hands and have a run of hitting everything are annoying but the best way to beat them is by pot control until you have the nuts,when you will invariably get paid.
Posted by penguin7

^^^this^^^

Had an equivalent calling station/luckbox in the Bounty Hunter, who took 2 people out in the first 10 mins on Mon's ME. Calling an early all-in with 46 v AK and J3 v 10 10.

He played every single hand. Ultimately, he came to his demise by players (myself and others), playing through the streets, knowing he'd call anything down to the river, and then pulling the trigger when we werealmost  sure we were ahead.

Make a note, and move on. GL on the tables

Talon

  This is one of the best hand posts i have seen in a long time.Especially after reading all of the supplementary reads etc.

  Leet us look at it piece by piece.

 Preflop: Massive overraise which you want him to call with complete garbage.And he did so good so far.

 Flop: Massive shove bet with a bluff, which want him to either fold to or call if he has a worse hand than you that has not connected.Again you got what you wished for so all good then.

  So you laid a beautifullly crafted trap which he fell for every step of the way.

  So remember be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.

Gavinxxxx

I like how everyone is slating the play of the player making a raise, and hardly anyone has mentioned the awful calls of the player with K3.

Sky community just like to slate anyone who posts in the area 51 lol

unknown_username

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I like how everyone is slating the play of the player making a raise, and hardly anyone has mentioned the awful calls of the player with K3. Sky community just like to slate anyone who posts in the area 51 lol
Posted by Gavinxxxx

Don't think there's been too much slating, just contributors pointing out the high risk nature of how the OP played this hand.

I think it's all down to expectations? Reading through again, I think (just my view) the OP had an expectation of either winning the hand, or the opponent folding. To expect to win a hand on the odds discussed above by committing pre-flop is being optimistic, and to expect the opponent to fold just because of the subsequent shove is a little naive - sure he was flying a kite, but many do; pure gambling, rather than basing a call on a sound knowledge of he probabilities.

If the expectation had been along the lines of I know I had a marginal non-paired hand, but shoved on the basis that if I was called with another marginal non-paired hand it'd be a coin flip - with the loser saying Aufwiedersehen - then I suspect that he probably wouldn't even have started this thread, as he would have just shrugged his shoulders.

Thinking of expectations, how many players will play through with something like 4,5s? Those suited connectors do look great don't they, and can turn into something big?