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LOL - Can someone please explain??
I never post beats but this does take the biscuit!
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| CHADINO | Small blind | £0.25 | £0.25 | £18.25 | |
| GEE_BURT | Big blind | £0.50 | £0.75 | £76.92 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| BRETTY427 | Call | £0.50 | £1.25 | £48.58 | |
| jenars | Fold | ||||
| bollie | Fold | ||||
| phil12uk | Raise | £1.50 | £2.75 | £47.75 | |
| CHADINO | Raise | £2.25 | £5.00 | £16.00 | |
| GEE_BURT | Fold | ||||
| BRETTY427 | Fold | ||||
| phil12uk | Raise | £5.00 | £10.00 | £42.75 | |
| CHADINO | Call | £4.00 | £14.00 | £12.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| CHADINO | All-in | £12.00 | £26.00 | £0.00 | |
| phil12uk | Call | £12.00 | £38.00 | £30.75 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| CHADINO | Show |
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| phil12uk | Muck |
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| CHADINO | Win | Flush to the 10 | £36.20 | £36.20 | |
Comments
All in on a gut shot or running flush.
The initial raise beggars belief but after the flop he surely was buying, hoping you had AK or AQ and had completely missed.
Never mind mate, these players soon lose their roll and end up reloading.
See it as he is saving your cash for you till next time!
listen - i will say this only once - you were beaten by a better player
listen - i will say this only once - you were beaten by a better player
listen - i will say this only once - you came 2nd lol
Need to remember that when it happens to me.
They always say any 2 cards etc. etc. but this guy must bleed cash if he plays this hand like that more often than once a year.
Speechless, I was done by the mighty 2 5 off last night.
but he wont get that lucky again 2 soon ,
no way hes in profit in the long game ul again ,
but keep your game the same and move on .
The 34 was 22.22% after the flop so it's hardly astronomical odds.
OK, it looks sick because it was a runner runner terrible flush but it's all included in the 22.22%.
If the other guy had KhKd and sucked out with a two-outer king would we be so disgusted?
The KhKd would have been 8.38% after that flop so, odds-wise, a much worse beat.
It's just purely the cards he chose to commit his stack to that is beyond comprehension.
You know yourself that long term, no way is 4 3 off profitable. Surely 60% of the time you will end up playing the board.
let me know with 3 4 off what are the odds of playing the board?
but yeah I know the villain in the hand, he plays lol all the time like that so just note it up...
None of the comments above are made by people who know what the table dynamics were.
Let's say Phil has been raising a fair bit, then a minimum re-raise of his opening raise is used by many people to indicate extreme strength. (I'm not saying that it is great play but a lot of people do it). The opponent may have hoped that Phil would fold although we all known that this is extremely unlikely. Once Phil 4-bets then we can probably all agree that fold is the best option - but we don't always choose the best option. He may have decided that Phil is on AK/AQ and that he's going to see a flop and if there are no high card on it, he's going to push (which is what he did).
I just want to add, in order to make myself even more unpopular, that it is very wrong to post hands like this without the opponent's name being removed.
The result of this is to clearly try to embarrass the opponent and this is absolutely unacceptable in my book. Before anyone says that this thread wasn't meant to be critical of the opponent, look at the title "LOL - Can someone please explain??".
We all make dubious plays and many of us seem quick to criticise other players.
I'm not going to post any more on this thread because it really doesn't merit it.
My hope is that the moderators will remove it.
i mean tis not even a big pot either in BB terms.
At the end of the day, we want these calls all day long when holding Aces so it's not a gripe as such. Just a sick, sick outcome
Now to try and win it back today!!!
I have to largely agree with Mere and Scotty.
Although it looks terrible at first glance, what people should not forget, is that this is cash.
If the above play had been carried out by Hansen or Antonius, we would all be discussing their "higher level" of thinking.
For example, that monster hand recently between Antonius and the online pro where Antonius ended up calling on the river with king high (and winning), could only have been played between either two of the best or worst players in the world. (Incidently, that pot was over $300k).
Now I accept it is almost certain that the villain here is not a pro, however the above still stands.
This is the difference between cash and tournament poker. Many more "creative" (experts will even call them sophisticated) plays can be justified, and if you play cash, you have to accept that you will run into them more frequently than in tournaments, and thus the suck outs will look that much worse when they do happen like above.
Oh yeah, and you've got nothing to worry about Phil, I'm sure you're going to win it back and then some. 8- />
Hi Merenovice, I did actually put in my original post that the all in push was to represent strength hoping Phil has a big ace and had totally missed.
I still cannot see how or why he tried to protect his small blind with a hand like 4 3 off and am still looking at you for what the probabilities are that with 3 4 off you are playing the board.
The ratio of playing the board would actually tell me whar percentage a hand like this is impossible to win with as by playing the board, the best he can possibly hope for is a split pot.
Information like this can actually prove useful to anyone here for future reference as during bubble play on a DYM I myself have found myself in the BB with hands like this after a shove by a relative shortie. Now my usual thinking is any 2 cards etc. but if the odds are highly stacked that I would only end up playing the board then Is it worth even putting a few chips into a pot to try and get rid of a micro stack?
Hi Hale, I don't think he was trying to "protect" his small blind.
He just tried out a funky play with the min raise which in his position would look like super strength, it just so happened that Phil had the pilots.
Totally imo of course. 8- />
Knowing Phil, it would not be his intention to embarass any player, but i take Vince's point about deleting the opponents name.
If someone posts a hand and asks peoples opinions then we are doing so, by nature, without the full information of table dynamics etc(even Vince described the play preflop as creative), then we can only offer our opinions.
I have yet to see any of the so called villians post their thoughts on those hands. It would be nice to see their take on the hand, but i doubt many people would do it.
Before you come back at me, I dont class myself as one of the better players on the site, but i do have a (main) style that can offer a possible different view of hands(without trying to sl ag off anyone).
In my humble opinion, it would have been nice for you to have put your thoughts on the play and not just rant about how people are trying to have a go and embarass others. These comments are the type to inflame situations and having read some of your other posts, you do make some very good points.
I have said this to other players on this forum as i have seen these get out of control.
col
ps if you look at what we have in front of us, most players would agree that to call the reraise with that hand is, in the long run not a PROFITABLE play.
Hi Guys,
As a matter of decency & etiquette when Posting these "OMG" hands & situations, the done thing is to remove the name of the villain.
I know Phil meant no malice - he's not that sort of guy - but if the Villain reads this Thread, the Players, & the Site, will both be losers, because the Villain will go play poker elsewhere.
And none of us want that, now do we?
Bellyache all you like about his play, but don't drive him away - please. He's our profit.
What if it's Orford?
We'll assume it's Orford anyway.
My remaining posts only contain questions which I still feel are relevant and fair to this discussion. I never have a wish to offend anyone here but I still feel that the all in post flop was not the worse play in the world as obviously missing the flop in the way he did, then the only way to win the pot is to represent extreme strength, which is what the player did.
My only real gripe is that the player commited all his stack on a hand that should not even be considered playable in any position let alone the SB, which considered by many to be the worse place to be in post flop.
But maybe that should not be a gripe, but more of an opportunity.........
The play was certainly "creative", but give me a table full of creative players, & they may send me dizzy, but I'll take them on every day.
It always amuses me to watch the early stages of Deepie - all the dancers bluffing & showing, which is the daftest thing in daft-ville at that stage of a deepie. They rarely last unil the first break, & I take smug satisfaction from that, to be honest! Oddly, it does not happen - not at all - in the 7.30 22 quid Deepie, where we often reach the first break without a single exit. The standard of play in that is scarily good, & a credit to the Sky Poker players.
Oh, & have a good weekend.