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Tikay - Poker Strategy

edited September 2011 in Poker Chat
Hello all (especially the people who have some say at Sky)

I see that Dohh's guide to low stakes cash has been added to the poker school on Sky which I think is a massive help. I heard mention of Irish Rover writing a guide/strategy to beating STTs (I think it was STTs) but I can't seem to find this anywhere.

Basically in the poker school, in terms of strategies/help for specific formats, theyve got low stakes cash and omaha/omaha hi/lo covered but it just seems like that's leaving a pretty big gap for 2 very popular versions of the game (STTs and MTTs).

I think it would be great if someone could find Irish Rover's guide and stick it in the poker school and get one of the regular MTTers who really know what they're doing (and has the time/inclination) to write a basic guide. Obviously you could be writing forever on how to play an MTT but I imagine this would just be for new-comers to the site to give them the basics like taking it easy in the first few levels as there's alot to lose and little to gain... 10BBs is a shove/fold stack (amazing how many people still limp with this size stack) and so on.
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  • edited September 2011

    Well volunteered Lambert, get to work on it immediately! 
  • edited September 2011
    lol whatever happened to people just playing and learning

    next your want people to play it for you, doing a basic MTT guide will not exactly benefit the person who does it so whats the point?

    if you need help post in clinic or talk to poker buddies
  • edited September 2011
    I think a long , long experienced MTT player would be great here

    And i would look no further

    Than


    Elsadog
  • edited September 2011
    I see your point Young Gun but Dohhhh's low stakes cash strategy thing has not made it in the slightest bit tough winning at 4NL. The only people who are gonna read it are people who go on the forum, which strangely seems to be a very small proportion of Sky players.

    It just serves as something beginners can look at rather than tens of people posting things in the clinic and the more experienced players having to type virtually the same response multiple times a week because people don't know these basics.

    The same as  a sticky on how to post hands... sure you can not do it and let every single new person ask why their hands show up wierd and give the same response a million times... OR you can put a sticky up and say, this is how's it done so stop asking!

    Obviously the clinic would still be used for situations that aren't 100% standard.
  • edited September 2011
    Why would Elsa want to share his formula and make it tougher for him?? i gather he may share stuff with area 51 crew but doubt he gives out all his secrets. Also he cant exactly spread his run good unfortunately ;)
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    I see your point Young Gun but Dohhhh's low stakes cash strategy thing has not made it in the slightest bit tough winning at 4NL. The only people who are gonna read it are people who go on the forum, which strangely seems to be a very small proportion of Sky players. It just serves as something beginners can look at rather than tens of people posting things in the clinic and the more experienced players having to type virtually the same response multiple times a week because people don't know these basics. The same as  a sticky on how to post hands... sure you can not do it and let every single new person ask why their hands show up wierd and give the same response a million times... OR you can put a sticky up and say, this is how's it done so stop asking! Obviously the clinic would still be used for situations that aren't 100% standard.
    Posted by Lambert180
    I completely agree his nl4 is great, when you go into MTT's though more people will look on forums rather then for nl4, also if you post a good standard guide then it will no doubt make tourneys tougher.

    Would be great if someone did one obv, but i personally wouldn't and sure 99% of MTT players wont

    Stil no harm in asking mate
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Why would Elsa want to share his formula and make it tougher for him?? i gather he may share stuff with area 51 crew but doubt he gives out all his secrets. Also he cant exactly spread his run good unfortunately ;)
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Perhaps for the same reason that IRISHROVER and DOHHHHHHH did , its only gonna be a basic guide whoever wanted to do it and may well encourage even more players to play MTTS which could only be for the better all round
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Perhaps for the same reason that IRISHROVER and DOHHHHHHH did , its only gonna be a basic guide whoever wanted to do it and may well encourage even more players to play MTTS which could only be for the better all round
    Posted by debdobs_67
    Exactly.

    I wouldn't expect him to give 'all his secrets', it is only supposed to be basic, not to go through every possible situation and not even to cover advanced techniques or reads etc, just basics as I said like knowing you cannot limp with a 10BB stack. And really Young Gun how is it different from a poker book on MTT strategy? Everyone has access to these providing they'll pay a few quid.
  • edited September 2011

    lol @ worrying about an amateurs guide improving the standard.

    It's not like there isn't already hundreds of books, thousands of videos, millions of articles, and billions of forum threads on the subject or anything. 

    There are lots of reasons why someone would want write about MTT strategy.




  • edited September 2011
    Well personally its always going to be -EV, i completely understand it would be great for new players but obviously would have no use for me hence why im against it lol

    I just think anyone logically who is better then average at Mtt's would not do it as it will no doubt make it tougher, but thats my thoughts. if someone is happy to do it faiplay to them
  • edited September 2011

    Hi Lambert,

    You make a very good point, & we should give some thought as to who might best do it for us.

    The Top Three in the MTT Poker League as of right now are Ebberdon, Elsadog, & Penguin7. 

    The Top Three in the STT Poker League right now are JingleMa, mackers18, & JohnConnor.

    So presumably, one of those three players from each of those two disciplines would be suitably equipped to do it? Yes, no, agree, disagree?

    If they were to volunteer so to do, the rest is easy.

    If nobody (appropriate) volunteers, I'll do it, but the game is evolving fast, & though I believe I am as good as anyone in advising about BASIC disciplines - the value of position, patience, aggression, & the other A-B-C fundamentals, I'm well short of the current day thinking that the 5-bet boys do these days. 

    I'm afraid I don't accept YoungGun's point, it is not relevant at all - almost ALL top players freely dispense advice. If you think about it logically, it is never going to damage their results. Go to any decent Poker Forum, visit the PHA Board, & you will see advice galore from successful players, & books, videos, coaching sessions, etc.,. all by "name" or successful players.

    Dohx7 must have dispensed more cash game poker advice on Sky Poker Community than any other player - but has it impacted his results, & would he do so if it did? I think not......
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Well personally its always going to be -EV, i completely understand it would be great for new players but obviously would have no use for me hence why im against it lol I just think anyone logically who is better then average at Mtt's would not do it as it will no doubt make it tougher, but thats my thoughts. if someone is happy to do it faiplay to them
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Thnx Young_Gun my dear im soooo glad youve Volunteered ;))
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Hi Lambert, You make a very good point, & we should give some thought as to who might best do it for us. The Top Three in the MTT Poker League as of right now are Ebberdon, Elsadog, & Penguin7.  The Top Three in the STT Poker League right now are JingleMa, ,mackers18 & JohnConnor. So presumably, one of those three players from each from each of those two disciplines would be suitably equipped to do it? Yes, no, agree, disagree? If they were to volunteer so to do, the rest is easy. If nobody (appropriate) volunteers, I'll do it, but the game is evolving fast, & though I believe I am as good as anyone in advising about BASIC disciplines - the value of position, patience, aggression, & the other A-B-C fundamentals, I'm well short of the current day thinking that the 5-bet boys do these days.  I'm afraid I don't accept YoungGun's point, it is not relevant at all - almost ALL top players freely dispense advice. If you think about it logically, it is never going to damage their results. Go to any decent Poker Forum, visit the PHA Board, & you will see advice galore from successful players, & books, videos, coaching sessions, etc.,. all by "name" or successful players. Dohx7 must have dispensed more cash game poker advice on Sky Poker Community than any other player - but has it impacted his results, & would he do so if it did? I think not......
    Posted by Tikay10
    Not too sure if we want this from a Russian Roulette specialist , honest xx
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Dohx7 must have dispensed more cash game poker advice on Sky Poker Community than any other player - but has it impacted his results, & would he do so if it did? I think not......
    Posted by Tikay10
    Yes it has in a positive way.

    And that is the reason I do/did it. 

    Why do teachers assign pupils homework? 

    Why do students sit through lectures and take pages and pages of notes? (even I did this at uni in the 13% of lectures I attended ;)

    Why is coursework used to grade students throughout education?

    ----------------------------

    It's 1 thing reading, watching, and listening, but writing your thoughts down is always gonna be the best way to learn, and re-enforce the learning.

    Even whilst I was writing the nl4 dummies guide to cash poker, my thought processes about what is right and what isn't was becoming clearer in my own mind. I wrote stuff that was tosh, and had to think again and re-write it.

    There were several flaws in what I was writing, and more importantly what I was instiinctively thinking.

    -----------------------------

    I'm certain that I got more out of writing that strategy guide/article than any player that has read it since it's been published.  Even though I play 5/6 levels higher.

    And I'm sure if I went back now and re-wrote it, I would think differently again.

    I'd encourage anyone who wants to improve at poker (from a poor/avg player to a winning competent 1) to spend as much time writing about/discussing poker as possible.

    --------------------------------


    I don't have 10k forum posts for nothing you know!!!!!




  • edited September 2011
    Tikay thats a very valid point i am speaking from the other POV, i have helped out people who have pm'd me in the past or spoker to online but slightly different to i wouldn't post a guide for alot of people to use as i think it would make the games tougher. obviously im prob not even worthy to do a guide in the first place so its irrelevant :)

    Get dohhhhh to do one im sure he will, can help him with some poker karma :D
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Hi Lambert, You make a very good point, & we should give some thought as to who might best do it for us. The Top Three in the MTT Poker League as of right now are Ebberdon, Elsadog, & Penguin7.  The Top Three in the STT Poker League right now are JingleMa, mackers18, & JohnConnor. So presumably, one of those three players from each from each of those two disciplines would be suitably equipped to do it? Yes, no, agree, disagree? If they were to volunteer so to do, the rest is easy. If nobody (appropriate) volunteers, I'll do it, but the game is evolving fast, & though I believe I am as good as anyone in advising about BASIC disciplines - the value of position, patience, aggression, & the other A-B-C fundamentals, I'm well short of the current day thinking that the 5-bet boys do these days.  I'm afraid I don't accept YoungGun's point, it is not relevant at all - almost ALL top players freely dispense advice. If you think about it logically, it is never going to damage their results. Go to any decent Poker Forum, visit the PHA Board, & you will see advice galore from successful players, & books, videos, coaching sessions, etc.,. all by "name" or successful players. Dohx7 must have dispensed more cash game poker advice on Sky Poker Community than any other player - but has it impacted his results, & would he do so if it did? I think not......
    Posted by Tikay10
    I will volunteer to write a guide to DYMs if anyone is interested. Well, I have been intending to write one for myself anyway and I will happily present it to Sky to see if it can be used.

    Also, IRISHROVER's great guide was presented as a blog, I think, although I cannot find it right now.

  • edited September 2011
    Theres strategy involved in Poker?

    Well theres a thing!

    You learn something everyday
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Tikay thats a very valid point i am speaking from the other POV, i have helped out people who have pm'd me in the past or spoker to online but slightly different to i wouldn't post a guide for alot of people to use as i think it would make the games tougher. obviously im prob not even worthy to do a guide in the first place so its irrelevant :) Get dohhhhh to do one im sure he will, can help him with some poker karma :D
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    If I wasn't such a tourny donkey I would.

    I'm the one that needs help this time! ;)

    Tonnes of players I think are worse than myself have much better tourny records than me....

    So c'mon, HOW !!!!!?????????????
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Not too sure if we want this from a Russian Roulette specialist , honest xx
    Posted by debdobs_67
    Quite so, Debs, I was just trying to offer up a selection of names, & counteract the negativity on the Thread.

    If none of those I named, or anyone else with the appropriate CV volunteers, I will do it. You have been warned.....
  • edited September 2011
    tikay`s guide to mtt deepstack, sleep first 2 hrs then wake up with aces and shove, win pot snooze next hour wake up aces, shove. then last hour throw everyone out by playing every other hand ?? 
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : I will volunteer to write a guide to DYMs if anyone is interested. Well, I have been intending to write one for myself anyway and I will happily present it to Sky to see if it can be used. Also, IRISHROVER's great guide was presented as a blog, I think, although I cannot find it right now.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Thank you John.

    Write it, let me know when it is done, & I will EITHER.....

    1) Get a Blog page set up for you, & you can Post it yourself.

    2) Post it on my Blog Page (credited to you, of course) & then I will publish it. This MIGHT work better, as I can promote it heavily via my Twitter & FB pages, & on the Channel.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Yes it has in a positive way. And that is the reason I do/did it.  Why do teachers assign pupils homework?  Why do students sit through lectures and take pages and pages of notes? (even I did this at uni in the 13% of lectures I attended ;) Why is coursework used to grade students throughout education? ---------------------------- It's 1 thing reading, watching, and listening, but writing your thoughts down is always gonna be the best way to learn, and re-enforce the learning. Even whilst I was writing the nl4 dummies guide to cash poker, my thought processes about what is right and what isn't was becoming clearer in my own mind. I wrote stuff that was tosh, and had to think again and re-write it. There were several flaws in what I was writing, and more importantly what I was instiinctively thinking. ----------------------------- I'm certain that I got more out of writing that strategy guide/article than any player that has read it since it's been published.  Even though I play 5/6 levels higher. And I'm sure if I went back now and re-wrote it, I would think differently again. I'd encourage anyone who wants to improve at poker (from a poor/avg player to a winning competent 1) to spend as much time writing about/discussing poker as possible. -------------------------------- I don't have 10k forum posts for nothing you know!!!!!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    If there were a prize for Post of the Year, that just won it.

    And people wonder why they lose, & Dohhhh wins......
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Thank you John. Write it, let me know when it is done, & I will EITHER..... 1) Get a Blog page set up for you, & you can Post it yourself. 2) Post it on my Blog Page (credited to you, of course) & then I will publish it. This MIGHT work better, as I can promote it heavily via my Twitter & FB pages, & on the Channel.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Will do Tikay, thank you.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : I will volunteer to write a guide to DYMs if anyone is interested. Well, I have been intending to write one for myself anyway and I will happily present it to Sky to see if it can be used. Also, IRISHROVER's great guide was presented as a blog, I think, although I cannot find it right now.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    OMG that would be awesome :D wd JC
  • edited September 2011

    Just give me 24 hours to think on this, guys, but I might just be able to set up a Forum Competition, with some nice prizes, for best.....

    1) MTT Strategy article/Post

    2) STT Strategy article/Post

    3) Cash Game Strategy article/Post

    Let me chat with the Suits in the morning & see their reaction - I think "education" & "self-help" is so important, & Ch 865 have been working hard towards exactly that recently, too.

    Thanks.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : If I wasn't such a tourny donkey I would. I'm the one that needs help this time! ;) Tonnes of players I think are worse than myself have much better tourny records than me.... So c'mon, HOW !!!!!?????????????
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    yeah but still look at your results they will still be better then 80% of players on here no?

    I would read either tbf you on MTT, especially JC on dym that would be golden i do ok at them but anything to improve
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    Just give me 24 hours to think on this, guys, but I might just be able to set up a Forum Competition, with some nice prizes, for best..... 1) MTT Strategy article/Post 2) STT Strategy article/Post 3) Cash Game Strategy article/Post Let me chat with the Suits in the morning & see their reaction - I think "education" & "self-help" is so important, & Ch 865 have been working hard towards exactly that recently, too. Thanks.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Sigh even i may end up writing something then, hopefully with paragraphs and grammar :D
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Will do Tikay, thank you.
    Posted by JohnConnor
    Thanks John.

    I will PM you my e-Mail addy right away.

    Unless you prefer otherwise, I'll put it on my Sky Poker Blog (amusingly & embarrassingly named "The Official Sky Poker Blog", lol!), & credit it to you. That way, we can make more noise about it.
  • edited September 2011
    if i`m not mistaken irishrover did write a blog about mtt deepstack, mainly aimed for the lower stake players
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy:
    In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Thanks John. I will PM you my e-Mail addy right away. Unless you prefer otherwise, I'll put it on my Sky Poker Blog (amusingly & embarrassingly named "The Official Sky Poker Blog", lol!), & credit it to you. That way, we can make more noise about it.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thanks Tikay, received that. Putting it on your page will be great, thak you.
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