Tikay - Poker Strategy

Tikay10

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if i`m not mistaken irishrover did write a blog about mtt deepstack, mainly aimed for the lower stake players
Posted by spornybol

Yes, & it was excellent, perfectly fit for purpose.

That's no reason not to view more thoughts from others, & indeed another one from the Great Irishman himself, imo.

Lambert180

Very well put Tikay in regards to Doh's guides not harming his cash profits, that was also my arguement.

I agree that I'm sure any of these 3 people would be more than capable of writing a basic guide on their own disciplines. I suppose it's a case of which of them actually wants to do it. Also, I don't know any of these personally, so don't really know their background but I think it would be useful if the person who did it had played at the low levels in the past as I imagine that style of play differs somewhat between a 30p DYM and a £50 DYM. So someone with experience of low levels is best because these are the levels beginners will be playing.

If none of them are up for it, then I'm sure you could manage it Tikay. I don't think we need to cover the 5-betting kids really because it's more advanced and will be too much for a beginner because they probably won't know when to use it etc.

I heard someone say something along the lines of being able to get away with folding everything except AA/KK/QQ in micro DYMs, maybe one or two blind steals from the button and there you are, you've cashed...

Either way, just thought it would be a nice addition to the Poker School seen as we've got other disciplines covered...

spornybol

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In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : Yes, & it was excellent, perfectly fit for purpose. That's no reason not to view more thoughts from others, & indeed another one from the Great Irishman himself, imo.
Posted by Tikay10

off course not you can`t just learn off one or you`ll just go plodding along, but too get others veiw can only enhance you`re own game, and give differant aspects to your own game. ie you`v been playing one way for a while then read a blog which changes your game and those note oppo have got on you are out the window.

Lambert180

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Just give me 24 hours to think on this, guys, but I might just be able to set up a Forum Competition, with some nice prizes, for best..... 1) MTT Strategy article/Post 2) STT Strategy article/Post 3) Cash Game Strategy article/Post Let me chat with the Suits in the morning & see their reaction - I think "education" & "self-help" is so important, & Ch 865 have been working hard towards exactly that recently, too. Thanks.
Posted by Tikay10

Do I get a prize for provoking the debate

spornybol

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Posted by Lambert180

yep a 6hr chat about mallards, lol

debdobs_67

Well that is EXCELLENT news from John and i very much look forward to this xx

Sky_Dave

I think this is a great idea. DOHx7's NL4 post was a cracking read and I am sure it's helped a number of players already.

The list of players Tikay mentioned for the MTT/STT would be great, and if they're willing to put together an article we can do our best to accomodate it on the site. Tony is spot on when he says that Sky Poker are very big on the idea of educating and supporting our poker players and it honestly works. There's no way Orford would have won the sidey in Leeds if it weren't for his advice, etc.

I am sure Tikay will come up with a neat little twist on this to make it a fun thing to do so let's see what he comes up with

Eyeman

For those of you with a suicide wish, and spare time, I have written a couple of MTT and DYM guides in the blog section. They do ramble a bit, but there's the odd useful bit of information knocking around amongst the dross.

My next guide will be how not to bubble in a big tournament with the monster that is 33. watch this space.

YOUNG_GUN

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For those of you with a suicide wish, and spare time, I have written a couple of MTT and DYM guides in the blog section. They do ramble a bit, but there's the odd useful bit of information knocking around amongst the dross. My next guide will be how not to bubble in a big tournament with the monster that is 33. watch this space.
Posted by Eyeman

Grey-home i have read most your blogs and stop being modest i think they're brilliant and throughly enjoyed reading them. Here here with the bubbling, it happens to the best of us

Glenelg

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For those of you with a suicide wish, and spare time, I have written a couple of MTT and DYM guides in the blog section. They do ramble a bit, but there's the odd useful bit of information knocking around amongst the dross. My next guide will be how not to bubble in a big tournament with the monster that is 33. watch this space.
Posted by Eyeman

I found them EXTREMELY helpful & well written!

penguin7

I am quite flattered to be suggested as a possible author of a guide to MTT strategy, and a little surprised, as my online form is abominable. Although my live game is going well, cashing in 4 of my last 5 tournies (look out Nottingham !)

I think Elsadog is the man of the moment, playing out of his skin. Confidence is the key, the variance of tournament poker is always there, and one big  tourny when you win a couple of flips can change your whole mindset. Suddenly the necessary aggression is there to be used in the right spots.

But it can all change so quickly, I have been playing long enough to live with the ups and downs and know that I  am likely to go for periods when I not only run bad, but let it affect my game so I play poorly too. But I also know that my big results usually come along like buses, one behind the other.

Ebberdon is the most improved tournament player on the site. A year ago he was a good/average player who could easily be dominated,and also sometimes tilted. But he has suddenly picked up that vital confidence and now knows he is a match for anyone, and is incredibly consistent.

So I think I will let these two and any of the other good players around volunteer for this first, and concentrate on my own game.

But if anyone out there ever wants any specific advice, and would rather not post their question in the clinic , I will always respond to PMs.

Sky is unique in the amount of education it offers for new players, through 865 and the forum. And it shows in the ever improving standard of tournament play. It means that none of us can stand still and must always look to improve.

Three years ago I was crying out for regular tournies like the Rollers, knowing I would do well in them. Great structure and so enjoyable to play. But there is rarely a soft table. With so many of our good tournament regulars, lots of the top cash specialists, and also a few pros getting involved they are a real challenge.

Having played in at least half of them I think I have only had one cash (it was a win!).

I am now going to read DOHHHHHHs cash guide, maybe it will help my game ?

67Bhoys

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In Response to Re: Tikay - Poker Strategy : I will volunteer to write a guide to DYMs if anyone is interested. Well, I have been intending to write one for myself anyway and I will happily present it to Sky to see if it can be used. Also, IRISHROVER's great guide was presented as a blog, I think, although I cannot find it right now.
Posted by JohnConnor

I for one would definately be interested.  I know that you assisted Yidette9 in her DYM challenge, and that she greatly appreciated it. 

A big plus vote from me mate.

sillymunch

The problem with an MTT guide is, if everyone reads it, the guide would have to be changed....

For instance at the start of a MTT you get the crazy people who try to build there stack size quickly, so they will get involved in a lot of hands and take it right down to the end, all whilst blinds are still at 10/20, you get so many of these types of players at the start of an MTT that the best strategy is to play the beginning of a MTT just like you would in DOHHHHs guide for low stakes......

now if everyone was playing this way then suddenly you have a problem because the agressive approach would then be the best way to build your stack, which means there is no definitive strategy, you just have to look at who is at the table watch them play and adjust your style, you have to be the first to figure out what kinda people are on your table, the maniacs might get a chip lead but they soon lose there chips to people playing conservative so you will double up fairly easily....

After about 5-8 rounds you will have lost alot of maniacs, and the other maniacs start to calm down, when this happens you have to start getting more aggressive maybe steal some blinds (each blind you steal per orbit gives you a free orbit without losing your stack) so you will chose your times carefully as to when to steal and with what cards to attempt it with, dont bother doing it with nothing or you may end up having to chuck em away if you get called..

now when the blinds start to get even bigger people start worrying about limping in (usually when 2/6 people on your table have less then 10 BB's so when you pick up a hand you basically want to raise it up to about half there stack so they are commiting themselves if they are going to call you, so prety much they will have to shove if they are playing properly, if they dont get that concept they may just call you thinking they have fold equity when really they dont.

Finally you reach the bubble stage, and you will have two types of people, people who want to win the tourney, and people who want to finish in the money, you can see who they are because they will be the ones putting themselves in the front line and stealing lots of pots off of the people who just want to finish in the money, again just be careful who your stealing off and also what your attempting to steal with, the bubble bursts and then you will wanna hold off the throttle, this is where people are now gonna shove, or fold they get paid whether they win or lose so they just dont care, you will usually lose alot of people straight after the bubble bursts, 

Well thats my mini guide to a MTT lol, thats from my own experience at MTTs which i admit isnt alot but i learnt from my friends who are always finishing up there in the final tables, so i hope you like it, that advice helped me through alot ;o

unknown_username

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The problem with an MTT guide is, if everyone reads it, the guide would have to be changed.... For instance at the start of a MTT you get the crazy people who try to build there stack size quickly, so they will get involved in a lot of hands and take it right down to the end, all whilst blinds are still at 10/20, you get so many of these types of players at the start of an MTT that the best strategy is to play the beginning of a MTT just like you would in DOHHHHs guide for low stakes...... now if everyone was playing this way then suddenly you have a problem because the agressive approach would then be the best way to build your stack, which means there is no definitive strategy, you just have to look at who is at the table watch them play and adjust your style, you have to be the first to figure out what kinda people are on your table, the maniacs might get a chip lead but they soon lose there chips to people playing conservative so you will double up fairly easily.... After about 5-8 rounds you will have lost alot of maniacs, and the other maniacs start to calm down, when this happens you have to start getting more aggressive maybe steal some blinds (each blind you steal per orbit gives you a free orbit without losing your stack) so you will chose your times carefully as to when to steal and with what cards to attempt it with, dont bother doing it with nothing or you may end up having to chuck em away if you get called.. now when the blinds start to get even bigger people start worrying about limping in (usually when 2/6 people on your table have less then 10 BB's so when you pick up a hand you basically want to raise it up to about half there stack so they are commiting themselves if they are going to call you, so prety much they will have to shove if they are playing properly, if they dont get that concept they may just call you thinking they have fold equity when really they dont. Finally you reach the bubble stage, and you will have two types of people, people who want to win the tourney, and people who want to finish in the money, you can see who they are because they will be the ones putting themselves in the front line and stealing lots of pots off of the people who just want to finish in the money, again just be careful who your stealing off and also what your attempting to steal with, the bubble bursts and then you will wanna hold off the throttle, this is where people are now gonna shove, or fold they get paid whether they win or lose so they just dont care, you will usually lose alot of people straight after the bubble bursts,  Well thats my mini guide to a MTT lol, thats from my own experience at MTTs which i admit isnt alot but i learnt from my friends who are always finishing up there in the final tables, so i hope you like it, that advice helped me through alot ;o
Posted by sillymunch

Job done  )

sillymunch

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Posted by elsadog

LMAO dont say that that was something i just chucked together it could be written out a lot better, and there could be alot of points that i have missed xD

Lambert180

Silly, the only thing I'd disagree with is your first paragraph saying basically that writing this guide will remove all maniacs from MTTs. Guides have been around for a very long time as Doh has said, in book form, video tutorials, other forums etc.

I'd suggest that the majority of people who read this guide (when it's done) will be people who are already not maniacs at the start of an MTT and they will read it to get another viewpoint on things.

As they say... 'tight is right', I'd say it's always best to stay tight at the start of a tourney, even if your table is full of tight people. Tight people are even less likely to put chips in unless they have the made hand, so apart from robbing a few blinds (which at 10/20 is virtually pointless), you're only gonna get action from players who've made a hand.

I know Tikay's a fan of this phrase but you can't win a tourney in the first hour, but you can lose it.

67Bhoys

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Posted by elsadog

Come on you old dog, out with what you know.

sillymunch

ok fair point lambert it was just something that i chucked together in like 10-15 mins xD something i was once told if by the time you get to 50-100 blinds and you have your original stack size you have been playing well, if you got cards you should have more but that early in a tourney you dont wanna worry yourself over the size of your stack, because its at that time your gonna start to build your stack, or something along those lines

waller02

where can i find doh's cash guide please?

Lambert180

Here ya go chap...

https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby/poker-school/beat-small-stakes-cash-games-1?tracking=pokersleftnav

waller02

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Here ya go chap... https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby/poker-school/beat-small-stakes-cash-games-1?tracking=pokersleftnav
Posted by Lambert180

cheers bud

unknown_username

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Posted by 67Bhoys

NO chance ;o)

aiken2001

Luck - the one thing you require to win a big mtt. No matter how well you play your cards at some point during a big mtt you will need a bit of luck.

A lot may disagree with this but you need your AA / KK to hold up you have played the cards correctly got the money in right but then mr turn and mr river come and mess it all up. Your nut straight gets called with 2 pair with the river still to come and boom your gone.

Tactics and Strategy of course play an important part and everyone plays the game differently which is why we love hate the game as much as we do.

TommyD

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Luck - the one thing you require to win a big mtt. No matter how well you play your cards at some point during a big mtt you will need a bit of luck. A lot may disagree with this but you need your AA / KK to hold up you have played the cards correctly got the money in right but then mr turn and mr river come and mess it all up. Your nut straight gets called with 2 pair with the river still to come and boom your gone. Tactics and Strategy of course play an important part and everyone plays the game differently which is why we love hate the game as much as we do.
Posted by aiken2001

I personally think this is one of the biggest misconceptions in poker.  Yes to win any given MTT you have to stay the right side of the variance but over a decent sample size that run bad soon evens out.  The problem is people let their stack get to a point where they have to take a flip or start playing just preflop poker.  In a decent structured tourney with a half decent sample size skill really does come through.

Regarding revealing information hurting someone's game, again another misconception.  You are not trying to make your money off of someone working hard to improve your game.  You make your money off of the people playing for fun, he rec's, the rich people who just want the buzz and don't mind losing, the people who insist their way is the right way and have never read a Hand History in their life.  Yes poker has got tougher but these people do still exist.

Final point, JohnConnor doing a DYM article would be near on priceless as a learning tool.  I would certainly read it with interest.

Machka

I hear Orford is penning a guide as we speak.   Not sure what it's on, not poker surely?