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any 1 folding this?

edited September 2011 in The Poker Clinic
500 bh 11 pound in ,,8 players left i think

Hand History #414324933 (00:55 15/09/2011)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
tallytink Small blind  300.00 300.00 15955.00
NIKKIBBAK Big blind  600.00 900.00 27945.14
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • 6
     
mrlogic Raise  1800.00 2700.00 29974.80
SECONDWAVE Fold     
tallytink Fold     
NIKKIBBAK Call  1200.00 3900.00 26745.14
Flop
   
  • 5
  • A
  • A
     
NIKKIBBAK Check     
mrlogic Bet  1800.00 5700.00 28174.80
NIKKIBBAK Raise  4800.00 10500.00 21945.14
mrlogic Raise  10800.00 21300.00 17374.80
NIKKIBBAK All-in  21945.14 43245.14 0.00
mrlogic Fold     
NIKKIBBAK Muck     
NIKKIBBAK Win  29100.00  29100.00
NIKKIBBAK Return  14145.14
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Comments

  • edited September 2011
    how can u raise pre and fold this flop.
  • edited September 2011
    what are you doing.


  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    what are you doing.
    Posted by scotty77
    he prob learnt it from me
  • edited September 2011
    Raise smaller pre.

    As played get it in.
  • edited September 2011
    Surely you got timed out or summin similar ??
  • edited September 2011
    I dont see how you fold flop.  I'm a nit and risk averse but even I dont fold here after 3 betting this portion of my stack vs isolated BB.

    Raise smaller pre or just fold IMO
  • edited September 2011
    This play is crazy, if you raise pre-flop you have to put the chips in the middle on that flop.

    But I dont think I would of been in the hand in the first place, I fold Pre-flop.

    Jonathan
  • edited September 2011
    WTF, firstly no need to open 3xBB.

    Secondly how can you fold postflop you played this so bad

    FWIW i probably fold alot pre here unless you are on the tightest table ever its never going to be profitable to raise UTG with A6suited
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    WTF, firstly no need to open 3xBB. Secondly how can you fold postflop you played this so bad FWIW i probably fold alot pre here unless you are on the tightest table ever its never going to be profitable to raise UTG with A6suited
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Especially if you plan to fold on A-A-x boards.
  • edited September 2011
    I think raising pre is fine, looks 4 handed to me. I'd prob still raise 5-6 handed too.

    the rest is...well...interesting.
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    I think raising pre is fine, looks 4 handed to me. I'd prob still raise 5-6 handed too. the rest is...well...interesting.
    Posted by pryce6
    Yeah tbh i dont see any prob with the raise pre , as ya say 4 handed , suited A , seems fine to me , anyone else agree ??
  • edited September 2011
    Raise pre is fine, but too big. Prob be too tight to fold most times, but that BB is gonna donate their chips sooner or later, and you're deep enough to fold and find a better spot if that's what u wanna do. I'd still open tho, obv.

    BB tendancies make it a better idea to keep the pot small early on so m/r is kool.

    When you get c/r on that flop I think doing anything other than flatting is probably really bad?

    Although I know the villain is a nutcase, that's prob even more reason to flat. They're gonna lead the turn 99% of the time, then u can just get it in.

    The 1% of the time that they check the turn over to you, bet rly rly small and hover your cursor over the "call button" and see if you can break the world record for hand/eye co-ordination and snap within 0.0001 of a second.

    As played, call.


  • edited September 2011
    Raise smaller pre, 1400 is enough.

    Get it in flop, after you 4b him how can you fold with this hand and how much is in the middle.

    Awful...
  • edited September 2011
    wel i obv folded it ,and went on to win the torny,,,tho if i did call i cud easlily have gone out .u have to make big folds sometimes to win tornys maybe thats where 90 percent of ppl go out i dno,,was sick to fold it but it paid off ,,,why did he re my 1st flop bet?then when i re him basicaly saying im comitted he goes all in and says lets see what u got ,he obv didnt think he cud bluff me once id put the 10k in?so surely im beat??/anyway as i say i won. anyways...yey.
  • edited September 2011

    fold pre, or stick with the hand.....

  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    wel i obv folded it ,and went on to win the torny,,,tho if i did call i cud easlily have gone out .u have to make big folds sometimes to win tornys maybe thats where 90 percent of ppl go out i dno,,was sick to fold it but it paid off ,,,why did he re my 1st flop bet?then when i re him basicaly saying im comitted he goes all in and says lets see what u got ,he obv didnt think he cud bluff me once id put the 10k in?so surely im beat??/anyway as i say i won. anyways...yey.
    Posted by mrlogic
    a little bit results orientated i suspect.
  • edited September 2011

    That is final table i remember as i finished just before, the raise pre can be smaller but is def a raise 4 handed.
    The flop is very interesting but i can see why you would expect to be behind here and at best (for you)he has 2 spades.
    Your flop play is remarkable never ever come back over the top considering stack that amount and fold.
    Winning the tournament is irrelevant as you can play bad and win and making the callcould of won it quicker lol
    i flat back flop and get it in on a non spade turn

  • edited September 2011
    thats ridic jus cos you went on to win doesnt mean it was a good fold derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • edited September 2011
    wel if i call im out so im guessin it does make it a good fold
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    wel if i call im out so im guessin it does make it a good fold
    Posted by mrlogic
    That is difficult to dispute Young Wum ?
  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    wel if i call im out so im guessin it does make it a good fold
    Posted by mrlogic
    I think most people would agree that this is incorrect, and perhaps little naive.

    Its the kind of menatilty that is hard to put across.  Either you get it or you dont.  Winning the tourney is immaterial.  Great for you that you went on to win though sir!

    When your talking of overall poker strategy, there needs to be consistency.  Having your game be correct, is prefferable to the variance of winning the odd s+g.  Rational thinking play will equal more gains, short term gains regardless.

    Perhaps you are beat on this flop.  But we need to considor opponents range here.  Which you are likely crushing.  But more importantly is the bet sizings.  3 betting this portion of your stack to fold on such a connected board, when isolated pre, is just never going to work out long run.

    Again, very happy for you that you took it down.  But there is some really worthwile posts in this thread that you may want to think about.  Everyone is on a curve bud.
  • ybyb
    edited September 2011
    why post the hand if you're just going to take the mentality that 'you went on to win therefore you must be right' whatever anyone else says

    your postfop line is terrible, and your raise size pre is too big also
  • edited September 2011
    Bad... You cant put that much of your stack in then fold with trips.

    Oh dear.

    +1 to Dons Post btw.
  • edited September 2011
    raise/fold trips. Do u coach?
  • edited September 2011
    Raise pre - 2.5 is ok

    you hit trip aces, why would you not get it in :s

    No one should be folding this EVER

    If it's a cooler then hey ho




  • edited September 2011
    i know im gonna get flamed...but i think this is a v.good fold...although i dont know if i could make it myself

    Villain 4bets flop all in he/she defo has an A or 55....

    now mrlogic only beats A2,A3,A4,

    and is behind to A5 + A7-AK
  • edited September 2011
    Mr sikas, most peoples point is he has invested nearly 50% of his stack and to fold with Trips at this stage of the tourney is never going to be good.

    It could be a very good fold and ultimately he still won so thats the main thing he could have dodged a bullet but made it harder for himself in doing so
  • edited September 2011

    Indeed when he gets raised on the flop he can’t then raise fold putting in half his stack.

    He should imo be folding to the raise or shoving

     Oppo’s range is what – KK/QQ/JJ - flush draw –

    If vill has an ace then that’s just a cooler, 55 is very possible but how do you fold trip aces at this stage on an MTT and feel happy that it was good.

    Can you say long term it’s the right thing to do.

     It’s only a good fold when it’s correct so … how many times this will be a correct fold if we consider folding to the first raise on the flop ?

  • edited September 2011
    In Response to Re: any 1 folding this?:
    i know im gonna get flamed...but i think this is a v.good fold...although i dont know if i could make it myself Villain 4bets flop all in he/she defo has an A or 55.... now mrlogic only beats A2,A3,A4, and is behind to A5 + A7-AK
    Posted by sikas
    If he's going to fold trips, fold after he gets min raised. If you think there is a possibility you might be behind, don't 3b/fold the flop, flat the raise and allow him to continue with any bluffs.
  • edited September 2011
    rofl thread.

    this is clearly in the wrong section since op isn't taking onboard what people said.

    3 bet folding this flop is laughable.
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