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Its not always as bad as the hand posted. The crazy guy blind betting always stmulates this action. He's a bit of a whizz at roulette apparently so he sits down and just goes crazy. I dont mind it usually, as your pretty much guarenteed to make money. I am hugely up in this game overall, have been going to it regularly for 2 or so years. Wouldnt miss it, but I'll definately take on board whats been said.
I'm really tempted to get into this with you. But its pretty clear to anyone reading this thread that your posts are way out of context with the subject matter.
Also that you thought I held KK as you hadnt looked properly then edited your post.
I said that I was likely wrong from the start. Laying out my thought process to highlight the flaw in the line. But either way the thought process throughout, from everyone has been rational, based upon a particular approach.
I have quickly conceded that mathwise my line is bad, but set out the underlying reasons as to the line took. But even then stating that those reasons are flawed. I dont know why you choose to conduct yourself the way you do, its a shame.
But its uncalled for and totally off the mark. I guess youre just the type of person that enjoys taking the time out to be rude to people for no reason. The reasons mainly being your own.
Its inexcusable to me. Read the thread from beginning to end, mentally adding in what the mods deleted on your behalf. Classy huh?
Wrong or right, i speak honestly and respectfully. If you wish to continue this conversation feel free to respond to the PM I have sent you in regard to this, then we will not need to censor ourselves. I dont know if that will give you the attention you want though?
+1 This is my point too. It's a +ev situation where the pot odds are big (it's a multi-way pot where you have the effective stack) and you are likely to have the best hand (based on your own reads and the fact that you have ace king).
Cash poker is a never ending game where the best player is the play who gets their money in when they are a favorite to win the hand most often. You win money by making players fold better hands than yours or getting people to call when they have worse than you. In this situation you have the best hand and the effective stack. If you say the biggest stack at the table is 80BBs deep then hell, you don't even have to re-load if the buy in is 100BBs.
Even if this was a tournement I think you should shove for the win. Since even if you lose you go down to 120BBs which is a very respectable stack.
If this was a super tight table full of where the standard raise was 3xBB with premium hands, and you know that when a player cold-calls for half his stack he likely has AA and is trying to induce a re-shove. Then folding is the way to go. But from the way you described the table I don't think you will get many better spots than this unless you flop the world and the maniac picks up a piece too.
But what do I know, I'm a total nit
if your gonna limp with ak to trap, then go all the way with it
I woulda just made a standard preflop raise and gone from there
limp folding makes no sense
But when the action plays out this way we are effectively cold 4betting when 4 opponents cant/wont fold.
But the common theme is I should have been happy just getting it in with the covering stack regardless, likely 5 handed. Have to admit i dont fully agree with this, but it is the advice given by...well all.. so I would be foolish to ignore it. Which I wont.
It being cash and their ranges so wide, I guess I should get it in.
I am wired for tournament play, as my thinking throughout post likely highlights
As said from the start full ring cash is my weakest format.
I likely need to freshen up my perspective.
Thanks again.
I see my error quite clearly after all the input.
I think part of it is ego. I meant what I said earlier about not liking losing pots to these guys. Feeling that my game is stronger, so not needing to take flips.
But I guess in cash, in this spot it is totally immaterial. Feeling strongly we have best hand, should snap it off, given stacks and dynamic, reloading when someone binks.
Have to admit its not how I usually go about things, but I think I've blinded myself to how simple this spot should really be.
As many of you have rightly said, if reloading, it shouldnt be an issue. Feel slightly dumb