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*****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****

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  • edited October 2011
    I am child like for my views on this, I dispair. No, the best way forward is for players to stand up and tell it like it is. Here's your opportunity to do the right thing Scotty, is someone playing on another's account right or wrong?
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Epic run good came to a sudden end today. I won another PLO bounty hunter, but as soon as the first hold'em hand was dealt as part of DTD/FLOPS my mojo was gone and best I could do was bubble a couple of £20gtd. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the week as I will play a lot of hold'em as part of FLOPS. I may have to re-think my participation. 1 cash out of 8, daily balance -£13.82, MTD balance +£206.09.
    Posted by Giant811
    Back to what this thread is all about.

    No hold'em today, so mojo was partially restored. I won a bounty hunter, cashed another and won a £20gtd. On the down side I failed to cash in the OHL2 again and couldn't qualify for UKOPS 2. Unless there are some last minute sats next week I won't be playing. :(

    3 cashes out of 7, daily balance +£20.45, MTD balance +£226.54.
  • edited October 2011
    I made a total of 4 OmaHartigan League Points in tonight's tournaments!

  • edited October 2011
    rent is due just admitted to blatant cheating but everyone in this thread is either too dumb to realise why or are massively bias towards him.

    the fact sky said this sort of action is acceptable is ridiculous, more than one person playing on an account is cheating, doesn't get much more black and white.

    looks like only stien has any sort of common sense here.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    I made a total of 4 OmaHartigan League Points in tonight's tournaments!
    Posted by J-Hartigan
    Raise.....6
  • edited October 2011
    Evening guys, thought I'd get round to giving another update.

    BR as of 1st October   = £152.78

    BR as of 20th October = £230.88

    BR as of 25th October = £246.88

    As you can see, my DYM challenge is still going very well. I got just over 1200 Poker points as well so I'll have £15 C4P by the end of the month, although I am pushing to make it to 2000 points to get £30 :)

    Paul
  • edited October 2011
    Stein = Numpty NUFF SAID !!
  • edited October 2011
    Stein is right I'm afraid. I'm sure Rent is a nice guy but whether it is intentional or not two people playing on the same account is cheating.
  • edited October 2011
    Well I see what you're saying, and technically you're right BUT I can see how friends etc maybe slightly biased towards him but there is no reason for Sky to be biased towards him (well I guess he creates a hell of alot of rake) but they aint gonna throw the rules out the window for a bit of rake.

    So essentially Sky have the final word and it all seems fine.
  • edited October 2011
    why shortstack 100nl. if she just played 30/40nl fullstacks the subject would not have even arisen lol. and all this would have been avoided. it is illegal though.
  • edited October 2011
    For once I actually agree with Stein... it's wrong, deceitful, cheating, against the rules etc etc etc... so bad
  • edited October 2011
    Can Sky please clarify that they believe account sharing to be both ethical and within the rules? And that they take no action to prevent and discourage it?
  • edited October 2011
    Argument threads ftw!
  • edited October 2011
    My final word on this.

    On my part there was no cheating went on at all, although looking at it from some other players points of view i can understand the concern in having someone else playing on your acc and player notes etc.

    All i have been doing is trying to learn my girlfriend the basics of poker to try and give her a interest in the game that takes up much of my life and she has probably cost me a good few hundred quid while trying and yes stein i havnt always been looking over her shoulder otherwise she wouldnt have cost me so much but from time to time you need to go to toilet or make a cuppa so maybe that was my fault also if there had been some sort of a master plan do you think i would have even told anyone she had played on account ?

    She has only ever played on a morning once or twice a week at the most and anytime i have been multitabling 100 or 200 nl that was me.

    I spoke to sky pri team earlier and explained all of this and was told that i had done no wrong but from this moment on i wont be letting her play any games on my acc no matter how small (my choice not theres).

    If you read jennys post above she also admits to doing the same thing but i am 100% certain that she meant no harm when doing it either.

    And also like jenny says i think there will be hundreds who do the same thing out of all innocence only difference here is that i told you

    People will believe what they want to believe and so be it but at least i have had my say now
  • edited October 2011
    Don't have any doubts. It definitely IS cheating.
  • edited October 2011
    I have emailed the Sky Poker team and asked that the thread is looked at.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    I have emailed the Sky Poker team and asked that the thread is looked at.
    Posted by Mod_Machka
    Boo Fishka, boo, let in run it's course :-)
  • edited October 2011
    I say BAN HIM ))

    And while your at it BAN ME aswell because my brother played a few mtts on here for me

    All rent is guilty of is the same thing i am guilty of and that is NOT BEING AWARE OF THE FACT IT IS UNETHICAL and the reason for this is because he wasnt doing it for any other reason apart from trying to learn his girlfriend this beautiful game of ours ))

    And lets be honest there are any number of brothers/sisters/fathers etc play on here and also play on the same stakes so who is to say that they are not swaping accounts from time to time to give them a edge v players with notes on them ? because i would make this a certainty to be happening all over every site

    No doubt this thread will get pulled though and all of the good work players have put into it will be long gone by tomorrow (

  • edited October 2011

    Can't see any reason for this thread to be pulled. It shouldn't and I dare say it wont be.

    Best record my latest figures just incase tho!

    It does happen all the time, and I'm very surprised how many people aren't even aware of it.

    But when it happens at 50nl+ where ppl are playing for a living it obv becomes more serious.

    Anyway, mods don't close this thread, there's nowt wrong with it.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    I made a total of 4 OmaHartigan League Points in tonight's tournaments!
    Posted by J-Hartigan
    This thread was entirely amicable until this post.

    It's kinda meaningless really but I'm a Daily Mail reader and have no option but to vent my mock outrage on the internet.

    Single mothers having loads of kids. I'm no rascist but. 4 points? Support the illiminati all you want Hartigan. Benefit scroungers, pah. Feral kids. etc, etc, etc.

    My point is : Deal with real life, be unconcerned about the internet. I've forgotten if I'm even on the thread/forum this was intended for.

    Meh.
  • edited October 2011
    I understand jenny that you used to play full time, so quite frankly I am staggered that you were unware this was cheating. 

    In rentisdue's case this was not the odd occasion. Earlier he said he was playing and she was watching, now in his latest post he says she was playing while he was out of the room. I saw the deleted post and I know what it said; she played over a 2 month period and whilst he wasn't there.

    They ain't doing this on PS:

    PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PS for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PS and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PS's and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    Can't see any reason for this thread to be pulled. It shouldn't and I dare say it wont be. Best record my latest figures just incase tho! It does happen all the time, and I'm very surprised how many people aren't even aware of it. But when it happens at 50nl+ where ppl are playing for a living it obv becomes more serious. Anyway, mods don't close this thread, there's nowt wrong with it.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH

    All in all dohhh i would say that this type of thing is impossible to police, who can ever know who is on someone elses account unless your actually in the room where they are playing ? unless they are going to look at a ip address and see who is playing where etc but even then brothers/sisters and family could say they were staying at each others homes.

    I think i heard on the show one night that even stein was in the room when his wife/girlfriend won the 400,000.000 hand and that when she was interviewed on tv and they asked what happened she even said stein was shouting at her GO ALL IN, GO ALL IN no wonder though lol and she did have AA tbf but that could also go down as collusion in some circles if we are going to nitpick at things.

    The way i see it if rent had said nothing about teaching his girlfriend then nobody would be any the wiser so the fact he did say something should prove he did it in all innocence.

    Post your profits btw, afterall thats what this thread was for

    Very best of luck.

    Jenny.x.

  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    I understand jenny that you used to play full time, so quite frankly I am staggered that you were unware this was cheating.  In rentisdue's case this was not the odd occasion. Earlier he said he was playing and she was watching, now in his latest post he says she was playing while he was out of the room. I saw the deleted post and I know what it said; she played over a 2 month period and whilst he wasn't there. They ain't doing this on PS: PERSONAL USE. The Service is intended solely for the User's personal use. The User is only allowed to wager for his/her personal entertainment. Under no circumstances shall a User be permitted to use his/her "real money account" with PS for any purpose other than for using the Service. The User must provide full and truthful information in respect of all details and information provided by the User to PS and the User is obligated to update such details in the event of any change thereto. A User may only have one account with PS's and shall only use the Service using such single account. Furthermore a User shall not permit another person to use the Service via his account.
    Posted by stien

    I understand what your saying stein but if he was up to no good then surely he wouldnt have mentioned it and just carried on ? common sense should tell you that.

    And from my side of things ive got to be honest and say it didnt even occur to me that when i let my brother play a few mtts on here that i was doing anything wrong and i also think it was the same for rent because he was just looking at it as learning his gf how to play and like he said it cost him money doing it.

    Also out of all of the times rent let his gf play on acc how many were at £100nl or above because from what i read they were few and far between.

  • edited October 2011
    well stopped the rot a bit
    up £1.37. so for month £26.93
    points 799
    would have been so much better if my KK hadn't run into A10 who 2 paird on flop (I had trips) but A on river put paid to it. BI gone just like that.
    variance still hurts- was only hand that could beat me!
    ah well good luck all

    Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : All in all dohhh i would say that this type of thing is impossible to police, who can ever know who is on someone elses account unless your actually in the room where they are playing ? unless they are going to look at a ip address and see who is playing where etc but even then brothers/sisters and family could say they were staying at each others homes. I think i heard on the show one night that even stein was in the room when his wife/girlfriend won the 400,000.000 hand and that when she was interviewed on tv and they asked what happened she even said stein was shouting at her GO ALL IN, GO ALL IN no wonder though lol and she did have AA tbf but that could also go down as collusion in some circles if we are going to nitpick at things. The way i see it if rent had said nothing about teaching his girlfriend then nobody would be any the wiser so the fact he did say something should prove he did it in all innocence. Post your profits btw, afterall thats what this thread was for Very best of luck. Jenny.x.
    Posted by jenny_IYY
    Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things!

    Jane x
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things! Jane x
    Posted by suedehead7

    That was a quick reply Jane your not in the same house as stein are you and sharing info ? lol

    Just kidding before it kicks off again ))

    BTW i did say I THINK i heard it, may well have been one of the presenters saying stein would be shouting it etc etc but my point is ANYONE could be cheating and helping each other in mtts stts or cash and nobody would be any the wiser, afterall if a low stakes player got to the final table of a MTT and had a player with more experiance in the same house as them how many of those low stakes players wouldnt ask for a bit of advice ?.

    BTW are you self taught at poker or did stein let you watch him play ))

    Off to sleep now.

    GN. Jenny.x.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Wow talk about clutching at straws lol. Oh and please feel free to listen to BOTH my interviews again and you'll find I said no such thing, if we are going to nitpick at things! Jane x
    Posted by suedehead7
    Yes, Jenny is correct, that was said:

    "As the hand numbers clicked upwards towards 400m, then to her amazement mrs stein realises the hand number displayed on her screen is 400,000,000, looking down she has AA, UTG moves all in, I'm screaming "go all in" - like she needed me telling her" ~ Stein, In the "Congrats Mrs Stein" thread.
  • edited October 2011
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD*****:
    In Response to Re: *****OCTOBER PROFIT CHALLENGE THREAD***** : Yes, Jenny is correct, that was said: "As the hand numbers clicked upwards towards 400m, then to her amazement mrs stein realises the hand number displayed on her screen is 400,000,000, looking down she has AA, UTG moves all in, I'm screaming "go all in" - like she needed me telling her" ~ Stein, In the "Congrats Mrs Stein" thread.
    Posted by Poker_Fail

    COLLUSION ALERT !

    People in glass house etc etc

    But in all fairness it is nothing and imo so is rent teaching his girlfriend ))

    Now im def off to sleep. gn

    jenny.x.
  • edited October 2011
    Ok I might as well chip in to this debate, can't sleep anyway.  I missed the original post but I don't think it takes Mr S Holmes to get the gist of it.

    1)  This is my opinion but it's an opinion grown from many years experience.  Your account is for you and you only to play on.  No one else should ever log into your account and play as you, no one should ever take over from you at a cash table or in a tournament.  When it comes to teaching/advising someone who is playing on their own account I think we have hit a massive grey area of the modern internet game.  Across many sites people use teamview, Skype, MSN or in an old fashioned way sit in the same room talking about each others' games.  Talking/advising about action in a hand in progress is in the grey area towards wrong for me.  Consistently doing this during a MTT/Cash session is over the line wrong.  Even more of a grey area is teaching during a MTT/Cash session but not about hands in progress.  It is still two players working out patterns and lines rather than one and so this is still technically wrong.

    2)  There's been a lot of calling people 'cheats' and 'cheating' from what I can see in the thread.  I will not do that at this point but I do advise everyone reading this in future to not let anyone use their account in the future.  This is a benefit of the doubt moment.  I take this very seriously, and personally I view many of the grey area situations as cheating.  I personally do not think in game training is correct and proper.  I'm all for post session group reviews and hand analysis, but one of the oldest rules in the game is 'One Player to a hand.'  When the cards are dealt you and you alone should be the ones to look at them.

    3)  Don't be naive.  This happens a lot.  I would say a huge amount of players across all sites have let someone take over their tournament for 20 minutes or so when something has come up.  Many have let other people play whole tournaments.  I had a blazing row with a close friend years ago (non-Sky Player but he was, at the time, a poker pro) for letting his girlfriend play on his account.  There are several high profile cases and allegations of this (Google if you are interested).  Even more people have had in game training sessions.  Many people on this forum or on 865 have let slip/alluded to either more than one person on an account or in game partnering up.  In my opinion it is wrong but it is rife and you have to deal with it.

    4)  There have been a few comments towards the personal in this thread.  Please stop that at once, it only makes you look silly.  I'm going to out myself now.  I like Stein.  Always got on well with him on the virtual table.  I also like RentisDue and Jenny.  Hey, I pretty much like and get on well with everyone.  But the name calling is not likeable.  Also the rounding on one person is not likeable.  And biting the most obvious of flame baiting belittles yourself.  Cease now if you would be so kind.


  • edited October 2011
    Tommy_D, the voice of reason as per ever.

    You really want to think about employing this boy Sky.
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