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If we know he only opens QQ+ then again why would we flat, only to hit two pr or better surely or just fold seems more apt.
So why would we 3 bet when his range is so narrow, yeah I see obvious pitfall where most of the time your going to be 4 bet. I think the merits of 3 betting a range wider than mentioned ie. QQ+ is far beneficial through the streets. I understand what you saying, I may aswell flat v his open range of QJ/KJ/10J where we have a vlaue hand. Plus also we don't want to 3 bet and make him fold worse. But arn't we just saying ok open wide as you like and I will call IP and we will see who hits harder )
It's an intresting debate
Could you expand, exploit Durr or exploit the other five.
I would find you input very helpful tbh
I think we can flat here and use our position, but he also will fold to a 3 bet OOP, not sure I can fold AJ on the button even against him. Oh it's too hard. Too many options are a prison! - YOU DECIDE!???
We are also 3 betting a wider range that does not conflict with openers range.
Are we also trying to exploit the fact that the nits are trying to exploit there own image by infact opening wider so therefore we need to be opening/3 betting/4 betting wider. We could be just calling wider with ranges that do not conflict.
We could also exploit our own image by being very aggro and actually turning up with the nutz instead of the combo draw
Or am i just talking nonsense Dohhhhh
As i said in previous post unless you have a monster hand pre vs their monster hand pre pretty much this is the only way to get money offa these tighties
Obv it dont always work but when it does its good money in the pot.
If we take this logic and apply it to hold em then it does translate, AA has very little chance of improving unlike 56s.
Taking this onboard you can see why the nit is very exploitable.
You can narrow his or hers (Ok Debs I know woman play poker) range very easily and get stacks in very easily.
Anyway we can either play poker to flop lucky, outplay our oppo or not - choice is ours )
I think the whole subject of playing opposite of the table holds ground.
I am currently exploring the whole concept of playing the player not the cards so for me the cards are somewhat meaningless.
As for playing against nits, raise their blinds more, 3bet light ip more (unless theiir opening range is redic tight) bluffraise flops more, play less broadway hands and more hands like scs that are less likely to be dominated, fold TP hands to serious action
When you get to NL10/NL20 there are more regs so you have to adapt your game.
I would prefer to think about it now rarther than when I get to NL20 tbh.
Even at NL4 you can outplay oppo very easily once you understand the way they play poker.
I would post some hands up to show but I finks it would be too much advo )
Not saying I am right, just something I am thinking about more rarther than just playing ABC - value or bluff lines
The main reasons people 3 bet preflop are:
-To build the pot with a premium hand
-To balance their 3 betting range preflop (ie it could be 56s, it could be AA)
-To take the initiative for future betting rounds, particularly useful if OOP, but it also allows you to be versatile:
- />this is why suited connectors are great for 3 betting light; if you act last pre flop and an A or K comes on flop, you can represent it strongly. If the flop comes low cards and you connect well, you have a disguised hand and your opponent probably thinks you missed flop with AK etc.
AJ, as GT said, has value in and of itself, but mostly for making top pair in relatively small pots. 3-betting builds pots and his calling range for 3-bets would probably crush AJ so I don't see why you would 3-bet with AJ.
One of them being "Just what are my options in this spot"
You could get him to laydown AQ or 1010 is a + because if oppo is really that tight he will fold these hands and flat worse possibly - but I really don't want to go over it again tbh - )
But the tighter the oppo the more likely under presure they will lay down a better hand that is not the nutz
But it did lead us here, which is a nice place to be )
I would rather play 9 7 offsuit etc than A J/A 9 in a raised pot.