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SPT Structure and Payouts

SPTSPT
edited November 2009 in The Sky Poker Tour
In response to some questions on this board:

For Manchester, assuming a full 150 players:

15 paid. (Approximate percentages shown)
 
1 27.5% £4,000
2 17% £2,650
3 12% £1,800
4 9% £1,350
5 7% £1,050
6 6% £900
7 5% £750
8 4% £600
9 3% £450
10-15 1.75% each £250
 
 
Structure
 
30 min levels, 5000 starting
 
150 players, 750,000 in play
 
2.00pm  25-50
2.30pm  50-100
3.00pm  100-200
3.30pm  200-400
4.00pm  15 minute break
4.15pm  300-600
4.45pm  400-800
5.15pm  600-1200
5.45pm  800-1600
6.15pm  45 minute buffet break
7.00pm  1000-2000
7.30pm  1500-3000
8.00pm  2000-4000
8.30pm  3000-6000
9.00pm 15 minute break
9.15pm  4000-8000
9.45pm  5000-10000
10.15pm 6000-12000
10.45pm 8000-16000
11pm 15 minute break (or coincide break for start of final) 
11.15pm 10000-20000
11.45pm 15000-30000
12.15am 20000-40000
12.45am 30000-60000

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Comments

  • edited October 2009
    Good to see what the payouts are before we start!!!.. Thanks for that..

     Bit worried about the steep jumps in blinds though :S... no 75/150 level or 150/300 etc etc but that looks to be counterd slightly by the removal of ante's?
     Is that correct?
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Good to see what the payouts are before we start!!!.. Thanks for that..  Bit worried about the steep jumps in blinds though :S... no 75/150 level or 150/300 etc etc but that looks to be counterd slightly by the removal of ante's?  Is that correct?
    Posted by FlashFlush
    It's a structure that has to deal with a tournament that has to be over in one day, with 150 runners. The "filler" levels as I describe them do make for more play, but unless you want a final at 2-4am they are not possible to fit in

    Did last year's SUKPT (as was) have ante's in?
  • edited October 2009
    yes im not sure exactly what levels they started at though.... think it may of been around 400 with a 25 ante...

     Hey Ho im not going to argue with you about running trnys, you have probably run more than I have had hot dinners. Just dont remember the jumps as big last yr but did have ante's was wondering if it was a conscious change or not.
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    Not a conscious change

    Thanks for the feedback, I need to try and find last year's strucutre from somewhere, you've piqued my interest.
  • edited October 2009

    I think it's the same or similar, to last year.

    I confess I may be the culprit if it's wrong. I designed the Structure for the SPUKT last year, it worked well, so we decided to use it again this year.

    So SPT Rich asked me to find it - but I was unable to. Last year, I Blogged it, e-Mailed it, sent it to all the Cardrooms,  but now I can't trace it anywhere.

    SPT Rich kept chasing me for it - quite correctly - but I eventullly fessed up & told him I could not find it. So he designed it, sent it to me, I said it looked about right, & he went with it.

    So, blame me if it's wrong. We would review it after Leg One if it was too fast, or slow, of course, but the Sky Poker Players seem quite comfy most structures.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    I think it's the same or similar, to last year. I confess I may be the culprit if it's wrong. I designed the Structure for the SPUKT last year, it worked well, so we decided to use it again this year. So SPT Rich asked me to find it - but I was unable to. Last year, I Blogged it, e-Mailed it, sent it to all the Cardrooms,  but now I can't trace it anywhere. SPT Rich kept chasing me for it - quite correctly - but I eventullly fessed up & told him I could not find it. So he designed it, sent it to me, I said it looked about right, & he went with it. So, blame me if it's wrong. We would review it after Leg One if it was too fast, or slow, of course, but the Sky Poker Players seem quite comfy most structures.
    Posted by Tikay10
     Well this year is a whole new tour obviously, new name, new (well added) people running it, different buyin etc etc.. so we cant say anything is "wrong". Last years format worked very well, and im sure this years will also. The only reason i commented is a saw by the time we come back from the 1st break the blinds will be 600 (i think) so if you havent made any chips by then you ar all in or fold. Then I noticed there were no ante's so presumed there was a switch around. It may just be as the structure wasn't on show (because we didnt have this great forum)  it is the same and I just didnt notice last year. I do know it did have ante's (personally I prefer no ante's anyway) on a 10 seated table means I can be more of a rock that usual :D

     P.S less than 2 weeks to go!!!
  • edited October 2009
    Thanks for the details.  Not being a regular live player, can you tell me how many hands you would expect at each level?  Thanks.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Thanks for the details.  Not being a regular live player, can you tell me how many hands you would expect at each level?  Thanks.
    Posted by SoLack
    I would say anywhere between 1 minute (over preflop) to up to about 10 minutes this wud include the shuffle and everything....
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    I think it's the same or similar, to last year. I confess I may be the culprit if it's wrong. I designed the Structure for the SPUKT last year, it worked well, so we decided to use it again this year. So SPT Rich asked me to find it - but I was unable to. Last year, I Blogged it, e-Mailed it, sent it to all the Cardrooms,  but now I can't trace it anywhere. SPT Rich kept chasing me for it - quite correctly - but I eventullly fessed up & told him I could not find it. So he designed it, sent it to me, I said it looked about right, & he went with it. So, blame me if it's wrong. We would review it after Leg One if it was too fast, or slow, of course, but the Sky Poker Players seem quite comfy most structures.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Using my renowned research skills, this link contains last year's structures:
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : Using my renowned research skills, this link contains last year's structures: https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=pkrpromo_spuktedinburghleg3
    Posted by Grimstar30
    Good Spot Glum!

    I searched for an age for that Blog, as I knew I'd detailed the Structure, but I could not find it. Bravo you. Permission to give Alan a hug & a kiss is granted.

    It's SPT Rich's call this year, so he'll take a look at it &, well, it's up to him. 

    Thank you for that.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : Good Spot Glum! I searched for an age for that Blog, as I knew I'd detailed the Structure, but I could not find it. Bravo you. Permission to give Alan a hug & a kiss is granted. It's SPT Rich's call this year, so he'll take a look at it &, well, it's up to him.  Thank you for that.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Thank you 'boss' ;)

    Hope that the information can come in handy.
  • edited October 2009
    wow blinds are a bit steep......
  • edited October 2009
    WOW, can i just say i have an excellent memory :-) smack on 400 as BB the ante's started at 25... Take a bow son take a bow.

    Well a new year a new tour, we can either copy last yrs structure or try a new one. This is only leg 1, if it doesnt work we can always change it. Or play it safe and stick to what we know...
  • edited October 2009
    Last years look a bit nicer in terms of allowing more of a chance to accumulate chips before the steepness sets in, I guess then antes then hurry proceedings along a little.

    It's going to be great fun either way though.
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    Thanks for finding that

    I'll adjust last year's slightly as we have a bigger field playing and we'll revert to that sort of structure
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Thanks for finding that I'll adjust last year's slightly as we have a bigger field playing and we'll revert to that sort of structure
    Posted by SPT
    Glad to have been of help Rich. I need to go visit the 'other' forum tomorrow. I hope everyone is going to have a great time in Manchester.
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    Revised structure.....one less level than last year to reflect extra runners and need to get it finished in time

    Revised Structure   30 min levels, 5000 starting   150 players, 750,000 in play  2.00pm  25-50 2.30pm  50-100 3.00pm  100-200  3.30pm  150-300 4.00pm  15 minute break 4.15pm  200-400  25 4.45pm  300-600  50 5.15pm  400-800  100 5.45pm  600-1200 100 6.15pm  45 min buffet break 6.45pm  800-1600 200 7.15pm  1000-2000 200 7.45pm  1500-3000 300 8.15pm  2000-4000 400 8.30pm 15 minute break 8.45pm  3000-6000 600 9.15pm  4000-8000 800 9.45pm  5000-10000 1000 10.15pm 6000-12000 1000 10.45pm 15 minute break 11pm 8000-16000 1500 11.30pm 10000-20000 2000 12am 15000-30000 3000 12.30am 20000-40000 4000  
  • edited October 2009
    Excellent stuff Rich. Thanks for listening to everyone, another player mesasged me about his concern over the structure echoing what I said about less than 10 blinds after only 2 hours (I wont name his because he hasn't commented on here). I said after you went to revise the structure I imagine it will be the same as last yr with 1 level missing. :-)

     Really looking forward to it, can't wait :-)
  • edited October 2009
    Don't like to be pedantic (much).... but

    1.  You have only allocated 30 minutes for the 45 minute buffet break (could cause indegestion)
    2.  The 2000/4000 level only has 15 mins
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Don't like to be pedantic (much).... but 1.  You have only allocated 30 minutes for the 45 minute buffet break (could cause indegestion) 2.  The 2000/4000 level only has 15 mins
    Posted by SoLack
    Just testing!
  • SPTSPT
    edited October 2009
    2.00pm  25-50
    2.30pm  50-100
    3.00pm  100-200 
    3.30pm  150-300
    4.00pm  15 minute break
    4.15pm  200-400  25
    4.45pm  300-600  50
    5.15pm  400-800  100
    5.45pm  600-1200 100
    6.15pm  45 min buffet break
    7pm  800-1600 200
    7.30pm  1000-2000 200
    8pm  1500-3000 300
    8.30pm  2000-4000 400
    9pm 15 minute break
    9.15pm  3000-6000 600
    9.45pm  4000-8000 800
    10.15pm  5000-10000 1000
    10.45pm 6000-12000 1000
    11.15pm 15 minute break
    11.30pm 8000-16000 1500
    12.am 10000-20000 2000
    12.30am 15000-30000 3000
    1am 20000-40000 4000
     
  • edited October 2009

    Well done SPT Rich for amending that, & to GlumBra for looking out last year's Structure.

    I was to blame for not forwarding it to SPT Rich in the first place, & accept responsibility. I, in turn, will blame Orford.

    Anyway, it's amended now, so all is good.
  • edited October 2009
    Its a shame.  I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr.  I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly.

    Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Its a shame.  I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr.  I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly. Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney
    Posted by OMahonyO
     I would say the new ammended structure is fine. It was proven last year that it left for plenty of play and finished generally spot on the predicted time of between 12pm and 1am. Yes there may be better "structures" in casino games, but i bet they are not 30 min blinds 5k starting chips or else you will be starting at 8 and finishing at 5am
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts :  I would say the new ammended structure is fine. It was proven last year that it left for plenty of play and finished generally spot on the predicted time of between 12pm and 1am. Yes there may be better "structures" in casino games, but i bet they are not 30 min blinds 5k starting chips or else you will be starting at 8 and finishing at 5am
    Posted by FlashFlush
    Every tuesday at my local casino they do £20 f/o 8k chips, 25 min levels. It finishes at about 4am which doesnt bother me.  I understand ppl prefer an earlier finish though
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Its a shame.  I was quite looking forward to the SPT this yr.  I have seen better structures in casinos with half that buy in and 120 ish players with a start time of 8pm running weekly. Being as it is a `tour` I wouldve expected a much slower structure so people can get a feel of playing a bigger tourney
    Posted by OMahonyO
    Designing Tournament structures is governed by various factors.

    I can design, as can SPT Rich, any structure which fits the criteria. I've also played "better" structured (= slower, faster, whatever tickles your fancy) Live Poker Tournaments, almost nightly for 10 years until the last year or so.

    The design criteria here from Up Above was concise.

    1) It needs to finish at a "sensible" time, as our Player-Base are regular working people, who are not used to playing poker until 5am.

    2) It needs to recognize that the Team who run it - SPT Rich, the Staff, the TV Crew, myself, cannot reasonably be expected to work non-stop from 11am until 6am.

    3) To create the best possible structure within that remit means starting in the afternoon.

    So, it's been designed to start at 2pm, & finish not long after Midnight.

    It's not possible  - 100% GUARANTEED - to design a better structure within those critera. That's a fact, not an opinion.

    If the Criteria are wrong, fine, the Structure could be different, but for now, those were the design criteria.

    FWIW, the SPT is not ALL about the Main Event. It was witnessed by almost everyone who attended last year's SPUKT, (& I attended every Leg) that there was more mirth, fun, laughter, & "feel-good" about the One Table PTP SNG's, which the Presnters played back-to back, for as long as 12 hours at a time. So room need to be created for those, too.

    This year, after play in the Main Event finishes, (by which time the Staff would have done 16 hours straight, without a break), we will be playing PTP SNG's, & Tighty SNG's, until about dawn, I imagine.

    It's about giving the most number of people the best possible day. And we plan to do that.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : Designing Tournament structures is governed by various factors. I can design, as can SPT Rich, any structure which fits the criteria. I've also played "better" structured (= slower, faster, whatever tickles your fancy) Live Poker Tournaments, almost nightly for 10 years until the last year or so. The design criteria here from Up Above was concise. 1) It needs to finish at a "sensible" time, as our Player-Base are regular working people, who are not used to playing poker until 5am. 2) It needs to recognize that the Team who run it - SPT Rich, the Staff, the TV Crew, myself, cannot reasonably be expected to work non-stop from 11am until 6am. 3) To create the best possible structure within that remit means starting in the afternoon. So, it's been designed to start at 2pm, & finish not long after Midnight. It's not possible  - 100% GUARANTEED - to design a better structure within those critera. That's a fact, not an opinion. If the Criteria are wrong, fine, the Structure could be different, but for now, those were the design criteria. FWIW, the SPT is not ALL about the Main Event. It was witnessed by almost everyone who attended last year's SPUKT, (& I attended every Leg) that there was more mirth, fun, laughter, & "feel-good" about the One Table PTP SNG's, which the Presnters played back-to back, for as long as 12 hours at a time. So room need to be created for those, too. This year, after play in the Main Event finishes, (by which time the Staff would have done 16 hours straight, without a break), we will be playing PTP SNG's, & Tighty SNG's, until about dawn, I imagine. It's about giving the most number of people the best possible day. And we plan to do that.
    Posted by Tikay10
    I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game.

    However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney.

    Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same?
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game. However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney. Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same?
    Posted by OMahonyO
    Sorry, I thought by your 11.41 Post, you said it was not very good, & "a shame".

    Apologies if I misconstrued that.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts : I`m not knocking it Tikay, I understand criteria have to be met, it was just a shame on a personal basis for me, prob because it doesnt suit my game. However, I did not realise there was going to be so much side action going on so may be worth turning up without playing in the main tourney. Quick question, will the final at dtd have a bigger starting stack being as its a 2 dayer, or will it be the same?
    Posted by OMahonyO
    Yes, the Grand Final has a totally different Structure, because the Design Criteria is different.

    The Grand Final is a 2 day affair, with 10,000 chips & an achingly beautiful slow structure. Last year we began early afternoon on Day One, started again at 2pm on Day Two, & finished - exactly as planned - at about 11pm on Day Two.
  • edited October 2009
    In Response to Re: SPT Structure and Payouts:
    Well done SPT Rich for amending that, & to GlumBra for looking out last year's Structure. I was to blame for not forwarding it to SPT Rich in the first place, & accept responsibility. I, in turn, will blame Orford. Anyway, it's amended now, so all is good.
    Posted by Tikay10
    No problem that's what friend's are for. As for me, finally having a night out tonight, first time in ages. So enjoy the DYM club.
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