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TIKAY WAS I RIGHT OR WRONG?
Hi Tikay a quick question i would like your view on.I was gonna register for last nights £22.00 7.30 deepstack but noticed there were only 7 PLAYERS registered.They were all regulars in this and i thought it would not seem right to enter as it would look bad on me as i know 6 get paid.Do you think i was right not to enter? PS i hope to do ONE next week.
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In my opinion, all tournaments that are listed in the lobby are open to everyone and anyone who wishes to play them, it is your money and your choice be there 7, or 700 players
1 ITS A OPEN TORNIMENT
2 ITS NOT A GUARANTEED POT SO YOUR £22 MAKES IT BETTER FOR ALL INVOLVED
3 THE REGULAR ARE ALWAY ON HERE PLEADING FOR MORE QUALITY ENTRANTS WHICH I AM SURE HAVING PLAYED AGGAINST YOU THAT YOU ARE
Well if there were only 7 Players, no, there would be no point entering it. So yes, you did right, on the face of it.
At what time was that? How many Runners did it eventually get?
The thing is, Players tend to enter it very late, but if we all hold back because there are not many Runners, it's Catch-22.
Since the Guarantee was dropped to £300, & Barry started to spam it every day, the Runners have averaged about 20 per night. In truth, with less than 20 Runners, the Tournament will struggle to survive, & will disappear eventually.
The move forward to 8pm of the Nightly "Main", & the better Structures in that, is bound to affect the existing 7.30 Deepie, which is a bit sad, as it's been my favourite Tourney on here.
But if, as your Post implies, it had less than 2 Tables last night, it will soon die.
The Players hold the power here. If they play it, it will stay, if thry don't, it'll disappear, as sure as night follows little apples.
I did a bit of digging, & it looks like it only got 14 Runners, which is not good.
The troube is, Players see it it "light" on Runners, & so don't enter, quite resonably, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The Prize Money was as follows.....(Entry was £20 + £2).
1st - £68
2nd £45.50
3rd - £30.50
4th - £15.50
5th - £8
6th - £0.50.
So only the top three made a profit, but with a field of 14, nobody could expect more players to Profit - you can't have 6 of 14 turning a profit, or the Winner would end up with a fiver profit! Remember, it was the PLAYERS who decided, months ago, unanimously, to make the Tourney "ALL Finalists get paid".
Hopefully, last night was just an aberration. At Noon today, it already has FIVE Runners, so a Field of 20+ tonight remains a real possibility. It's up to the Players really, they will play it if they want, & will not if they don't.
If it has less than 16 or 17 tonight, I'd have to think about whether to play it or not. I want to play the 4,000 Chip 10 minute Blind Double Stack at 8pm, which has a whopping guarantee of £12,500, so it deserves full concentration. Being distracted from that by playing for a potential Loss by Finalling in a 14 Runnner Deepstack makes no sense.
So let's hope the Field is a tidy one tonight, say, 18 or more, because I love the Comp.
As well as this, I have also added something to my thread, we are both certanly trying to do our best to keep this toury from going under, allthough I fear may be fruitless if it does not improve soon, indeed a great shame.
Tikay all the final tablists last night made a profit. The figures u posted were the profits that each player made.
And if the value of Orford being in isn't enough remember that the Hogster is also in........thats DOUBLE VALUE
As you say, GREAT comp, but it be greaterer if we could muster more Runners.
Can I just make the point that if there were only 7 runners in a £22 entry £300 guarantee tournement that it would represent very good value. £22 x 7 = £154 paid for £300 dosh paid out, that is the sort of tournement you should be entering Dav1964!
BTW, I very annoyingly bubbled last night, with my KK busted by QQ.
The numbers do also pick up when Tikay does play in it, I think some people like the chance to take him on (mentioning no names Ric*Orfo*d).
I also forgot about the £300 Guarantee when debating last night's numbers. I had a bad morning, eh?
But Sky Poker won't keep subsiding it, they just won't, it makes no sense so to do.
But you are also right - because if it dropped that low - 7 or 8 Runners - I think the Tourney would be dropped off the Schedule.
I have posted this twice before, cant a satelite be organised for this event even if it is the night before for the next day if time doesnt allow.
I cant afford this buy in every night and enjoyed the cheaper one the other night when you got busted with trip two's lol
In Response to Re: TIKAY WAS I RIGHT OR WRONG?:
Are Sky offering the guarantee in the hope that enough players sign up so they don't have to pay some of it out?
If enough players don't turn up on a regular basis the tournament will be removed?
In other words the guarantee is only there to tempt players in so the guarantee isn't used.
This seems a little disingenuous.
If they set up a guaranteed tournament, they shouldn't moan if some part of that guarantee has to be spent.
All the best
My exit with Trip Two's? (Which was in the less expensive, but faster-structured, 7pm tikay Sleepie, yes?).
It was a right comical exit, really, & I've not stopped chuckling about it since - & it was 2 days ago!
I was 3-Tabling, & sort of sleeping, I don't really get involved in hands early doors, except Premiuns, & obvious situations (squuezes, & priced-in Calls), I prefer to wait until things settle down, & early-paced sprinters have shot their Usain.
The Table clicked up, I was in the BB with K-2, nobody Raised, 6 players had limped in, I just pre-clicked Check & went to another Table. Blinds were 25-50 I think.
Th Table clicked up again, & I saw the Flop was 2-2-3. Happy days! I Passed my hands on my other Tables & settled down to work out how to get paid. Easy game this.
Checked all round.
The Turn came a total blank, so I stuck 200 in, to see if I could get on. It's 2-2-3-x, Rainbow.
It went Pass, Pass, Pass, until it got to the Button. Who made it.........
6,000!
What? I'm sat there trying to figure what he'd do that with! 6,000 into about 400!
Well, no matter, we don't get all our chips in at this stage in a deepie, unless we are bonkers, or calling with the absolutes, so I decided to Pass. But my Mouse Finger thought different, & Called.
He turned over 2-3!
I had done a quick "what can he have" think, & I thought 2-3 was a no-no. Wrong!
My own fault, should never have Called really.
So if a Guarantee is offered, & it fails to cover - giving "Overlay" - then they'll persevere for a while, but eventually, having seen that the the numbers are not adding up, they will reduce the Guarantee. Every Online Room on the planet does the same. Except the ones who go insolvent by giving away free money for ever.
There is a Pool of money to cover Guarantees, & there are always some Tourneys that don't cover the Guarantee, every week. The Guarantees stay in place for while, but if they repeatedly fail to attract the Players, then they get reduced, or the Tourney scrapped. The Money is then used to offer Guarantees on other Tourneys.
That's what Guarantees are for.
This week, they took a monsta gamble & upped the Guarantees in all 7 of the Main Events by 25%. So far, the gamble has paid off, they all "covered". But if tonight's £12,500 Guaranteed Main fails to cover by, say, £3,000 (& it might!), the money will be paid out, obviously, but they will reduce the Guarantee next week. What would be the point in giving away that £3,000 every week? The Players might like it, but it's not a sustainable model.
So if the 7.30 Deepie repeatedly, after 4 months, fails to hit it's Guarantees, theres another guarantee - they will reduce the Guarantee. Guaranteed!
I don't mean this in a rude, or cheeky way, but why would they do otherwise? Am I missing your point somewhere?
It means they misjudged the demand, so they would correct their assumptions & offer a more realistic Guarantee. One that....
a) Attracted more players, &....
b) Covered the Guarantee more times than not.
Offering Overlay is giving away money.