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need 12/1 or even close to 15/1 to make it profitable long term to balance against the times you miss
If we 4bet his 3betting range is not the most important range to look at
expand a little plz
Don,
I had this guy as a weak player, so he's passive and a bit of a station. Earlier he limp called my 3 bet w/ Q6dd, flop went 3 way and he made a house v another weak player holding Q8, board was QQ65A.
Here he has a very big hand, he's passive and 3 betting your UTG raise out of the blinds, how many clues do we need? The range your putting him on is right and your a 60/40 dog against it. He's not 3 betting you with a hand your beating AQ/JJ/TT or the 1 combo of QQ so you can’t 4 bet this player in this spot for value. Your both deep so calling is the best play, if you flop a set the fact his range is so narrow means you will almost certainly win a very big pot, this player is never folding AA/KK as an over pair.
The only hand your ahead of here is AK but again flatting is fine v this player in this spot as I doubt he would barrel a missed flop and turn. Your ip so I think you can plan to call any non AK flop and fold to a turn barrel. Folding on a non AK flop is too weak imo to a cbet when he can have AK in his range. If he checks flop I would bet/fold if he check raises you.
Post hand I entered "dream spot for you Don v him there" in chat and it certainly was.
IMO you played the hand well.
You played another hand with him soon after where you lost half the money back to him, if I recall rightly you had AK and it went check/check on mono club flop A high, on a non club turn he c/c with JcTx and he only c/c river when he made his broadway straight. I seem to recall that your river "value" bet was too big and I that you should have bet the flop but this hand again showed this player to be passive and a bit of a station.
The hand later your referring to is this one. TJ wasnt a hand i put him on and felt i beat most other things in his range. Misplayed it pre in fairness.
I had an hour to kill and thought I’d have a bit of fun, plus getting all your money in ahead and getting beat only costs £4 at nl4, it's almost painless.
Now, now Ben behave. Jibbz does have a remarkable knack of hitting with any two v me, It must be any two cos he calls almost all my raises, i'd love to know what he folds pre!
Remember the hand well!
Thought oppo was some sorta 4nl superhero given he had over 550 bbs, I think you and stien had over 200 each when I joined and figured you'd been filleting the contents of a small grimsby trawler between you, so cautiously sat down and gave you all an uber wide berth whilst enjoying the game.
Although I know next to sodd all poker wise, my asessment of Oppo soon changed with all the limp calling and the flopped house hand mentioned by Stien.
However fwiw I recall thinking at the time that he had had either aces or kings against your queens as he'd clearly stopped faffing around and got all serious.
Which in itself poses more questions than it answers given the clinics advice runs counter to how he was playing his marginal hands. (Not that I'm suggesting the advice is wrong).
Nice hand and nice pot though, well done.
Regards,
Z.
Fwiw stien ive played with him a few more times since and your read is pretty much right. I wasnt paying full attention to him during this session but glad my reads where still on the right lines. I missed the FH hand u mentioned.
Lambert I hope you haven’t got me wrong, I think it would be interesting to hear what you are putting the guy on, what are you doing in this spot and why?
don why do you play nl4? your clearly more skilled to play higher
"I dunno" is not a good enough answer I'm afraid. ;o)
Z.