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devilfish v helmuth

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  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    awwww man r u guys serious???????????? yawn @ "racism" Get him on!!! entertainment ftw!
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I think the only person who can answer whether his comments where racist is sim, not someone that lives in a microcosm in darkest donny!

    There are loads of colourful characters in poker, I would rather see liv boeree personally for obvious reasons.  

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : I think the only person who can answer whether his comments where racist is sim, not someone that lives in a microcosm in darkest donny! There are loads of colourful characters in poker, I would rather see liv boeree personally for obvious reasons.  
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    I'm not questioning what happened in that incident, but he's not the devil, pardon the pun.

    He's not openly racist, he hasnt beaten up any black blokes for being black, or started a hate campaign against ethnic minorities, or owt like that, he's just borderline and that's what makes him entertaining and that's why people will watch. 

    You don't have to like the guy to enjoy the show. I bet you would watch!!

    It's on after 9pm after all, as long as he behaves himself, get him on!!

    2 words....

    John Mccrirrick   ;)
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  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : I'm not questioning what happened in that incident, but he's not the devil, pardon the pun. He's not openly racist, he hasnt beaten up any black blokes for being black, or started a hate campaign against ethnic minorities, or owt like that, he's just borderline and that's what makes him entertaining and that's why people will watch.  You don't have to like the guy to enjoy the show. I bet you would watch!! It's on after 9pm after all, as long as he behaves himself, get him on!! 2 words.... John Mccrirrick   ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    The way I look at it is if sim interpreted devilfish's comments as overtly racist he should not be allowed near 865. 

    Devilfish would turn up drunk anyway, he was on poker night live a few years ago and didnt look very sober!



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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : The way I look at it is if sim interpreted devilfish's comments as overtly racist he should not be allowed near 865.  Devilfish would turn up drunk anyway, he was on poker night live a few years ago and didnt look very sober!
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    The drunker the better,   Sim was probably correct seemed slightly racest but is silly to say if sim judges it to be racest then thats enough for you,   I think it was probs more like an Attemt to annoy someone to put them on tilt gone wrong.
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  • stienstien
    edited December 2011
    I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction.


    If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.

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  • Wacko90Wacko90
    edited December 2011
    Im from Hll, i dont think its fair to say that, its only a reputation that is has its really not that bad!

    Iv met devilfish a few times (only in a club in hull in passing) and he always had time for a good chat with everyone. The comments made to sim were obviously unacceptable and totally wrong. But thats devilfish, i think hed be an interesting one on the show, but a big risk, i think hed bring similar attributes to the show that schwartz did :)
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  • SLAVERFiSHSLAVERFiSH
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    Devilfish is from Hull, enough said
    Posted by rancid
    Nothing wrong with Hull. Great City put down by people that have often never stepped foot in it!

    FWIW ive met Devilfish and found him to be a top bloke.  Is he racist? Judging by the company he was in when I met him id say not.

    The bloke has done most of us could only dream of both in the Old School poker world and the modern day game. To have a bloke like him on the show analysing hands would be fantastic IMO.
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  • TommyDTommyD
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.
    Posted by stien
    Sim hasn't committed a defamation.  If you look at the post he recalls an incident which he found 'offensive' and he details his recollection of the incident.  At no point is there an accusation of racism by Sim in that post, just his opinion of the incident.  Personal opinion is not a libel either, in legal terms there is a world of difference between 'I think you are X' and 'You are X,' but as even this hasn't occurred the point is moot.

    I agree a few other people have gotten a little over the line since in this thread and people should calm it down a bit, especially about Hull (never been myself to be honest).

    I feel I gave a fair evaluation of Dave Ulliot as a guest.  To reiterate I think he's a great interview (which you can edit) but a worry on a live show purely down to the previous appearances I have seen him make on live shows (PNL and that Monte Carlo tournament).  I agree he is an icon of UK and Europe poker and vital to it's history.  This doesn't automatically mean he'd be a great live guest though.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : Ya I agree,   I can understand everyones support cos simuk decent guy an popular player.
    Posted by NODEAL
    It's NOTHING to do with supporting Sim in the slightest. Devilfish could have said this to a complete stranger and my opinion would be exactly the same.

    As for the person who said it might be to tilt him, that makes it ok does it? Where do you drawn the line, what are you allowed to say to 'tilt someone'? It's outrageous.

    I understand what Stein is saying but frankly, as I said at the start of the thread, I don't really like him anyway, I find him to be completely rude and obnoxious and I don't think it's acceptable for it be ok 'cos it's his image' and I don't think it's a case for liable as I very much doubt Sim is lying and it would be pretty easy to verify in any reputable pokerroom.
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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    If Sky want to get him on, I have no problem with it, just felt like I would clarify what was said as there was some confusion over who said it. 

    Once I busted him, he did say "well played kid", shook my hand and walked off graciously enough. 

    What he said was out of line, but I don't want to stand in the way of people's entertainment. 


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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.
    Posted by stien
    Magistrate Stien, We Have investigated your claims of said defamation regarding simuk and devilfish. We,  Really meaning Me,  Unfortunatly find that you Stien of Skypoker Is dead wrong.

    Reasons for adjuducation... Failure to read said post correctly and an over all lack of savy.
    Due to this I have no option but to revoke your licence to practice U.C.C law.

    You will also hand back to the local library your referance law book Twelve angry men along with your investigators hand book enid blytons famous 5 1st edition.

    I hoe this will be the end of this rather unsavory matter.

    If not, I suggest that simuk should appear on the skypoker at the same time as devilfish  and should air any greviences.  Tikay could be the backstage councellor,  Just incase tears flow in a kind of jerry springer typ deal.


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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    I think trashing a well know personalities name on a public forum is dangerous. Sim says xxxx, I'm not saying this did not happen but can he substantiate this accusation? Is this on film? Does he have independent witnesses? Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, late night poker and the Devilfish winning season one were a big part of how this whole poker boom began, it was certainly where my interest in poker started and the Devilfish was the star attraction. If the Devilfish takes these accusations seriously and proof is not readily available this could get very expensive, libel/slander cases don't come cheap.
    Posted by stien
    I have just seen this comment. Absolutely ridiculous.

    First of all, if I were to take this seriously, or if DF wanted to put some sort of slander case on me then yes I would have witnesses. The guy he said it to for one... At least 4 other people on the table would definitely remember it and it would not be hard to find out the table seating for such a massive tourney as the UKIPT main event. 

    What an absolutely absurd thing to come out with.




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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    Just to clarify again, I have literally no objection with DevilFish coming on, I was just clarifying a point. 

    Indians are pretty annoying in clubs anyway :P.
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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    Is this the society we now live in where someone makes a statement accusing someone who to the best of my knowledge has no previous record of racism and so it must automatically be true. 
    Posted by stien
    So you would rather a society where I am intially assumed not to be truthful, even though I have LITERALLY NOT ONE REASON TO LIE. I get nothing out of calling him anything. It does not effect me in the slightest. What reason could I possibly have for making any of this up? 

    You have too much time on your hands Stien, must be boring waiting for Aces all day.
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    Just to clarify again, I have literally no oobjection with DevilFish coming on, I was just clarifying a point.  Indians are pretty annoying in clubs anyway :P.
    Posted by simuk
    Just about everyone knows that bud,  Its all cool
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : So you would rather a society where I am intially assumed not to be truthful, even though I have LITERALLY NOT ONE REASON TO LIE. I get nothing out of calling him anything. It does not effect me in the slightest. What reason could I possibly have for making any of this up?  You have too much time on your hands Stien, must be boring waiting for Aces all day.
    Posted by simuk
    lol
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited December 2011
    race jokes (Sickipedia FTW) = often very funny

    Clearly racist statements made right near sim = pretty shocking

    I still think Devilfish is a douchetard, but I think it's good to see different pros thought processes, as they often have different ways of explaining things, ,some much better than others. So I think he should come on the show, but maybe with a 5min delay to prevent anything too bad on air lol
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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    race jokes (Sickipedia FTW) = often very funny Clearly racist statements made right near sim = pretty shocking I still think Devilfish is a douchetard, but I think it's good to see different pros thought processes, as they often have different ways of explaining things, ,some much better than others. So I think he should come on the show, but maybe with a 5min delay to prevent anything too bad on air lol
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    Careful mate, calling someone a douchetard on a poker forum is apparently slander. Do you have witnesses to back this up?!!  :P
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : Careful mate, calling someone a douchetard on a poker forum is apparently slander. Do you have witnesses to back this up?!!  :P
    Posted by simuk
    Ys, but i'll have to let them out of my basement to testify...
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : Ys, but i'll have to let them out of my basement to testify...
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    LOL sounds a bit pulp fictiony
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    i wouldnt mind devilfish girlfreind hmmmm shes hot 
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    if luke schwartz can do a whole show without being rude im sure devil fish can 
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  • seppeseppe
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    if luke schwartz can do a whole show without being rude im sure devil fish can 
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    idonk yr a clown. as sim says why would he make it up & if sky allow him on they send the message its ok 2 put a racist remark when yr angry. but as sky clare as said sky would revoke the invite. i hope she sees all the posts & realises he made the remark & dont allow him on sky
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  • NODEALNODEAL
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : idonk yr a clown. as sim says why would he make it up & if sky allow him on they send the message its ok 2 put a racist remark when yr angry. but as sky clare as said sky would revoke the invite. i hope she sees all the posts & realises he made the remark & dont allow him on sky
    Posted by seppe
    I think sim should say sorry to stien for making him look like a wazzuk. lol
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  • simuksimuk
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth : I think sim should say sorry to stien for making him look like a wazzuk. lol
    Posted by NODEAL
    Thanks, but he does it all by himself.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited December 2011
    im a clown ok hahahaha u get some muppets on this site dnt ya 
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    edited December 2011





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  • robyoungrobyoung
    edited December 2011
    ive met devilfish twice in the flesh and ive gotta say hes a real nice bloke and really down to earth, i think the poker devilfish and the off table devilfish are two different people, what was said to sim was clearly out of line, he probs didnt realise how offending hes comment was
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  • robyoungrobyoung
    edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: devilfish v helmuth:
    Devilfish is from Hull, enough said !!!hellmouth - think he proved this year what a legend MTT player he is - 
    Posted by rancid
    makes me laugh when people slate hull for no reason, alot of the sky community are from hull, so not a very nice comment to make, even if you dont like the place keep your thoughts to yourself
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY
    edited December 2011


    This lot are from Hull and I think this thread needs this.....

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