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DYM....have your say......

edited February 2012 in Poker Chat
devonfish5
just thought i would start a new post and see if it gets any response!
if you play DYM,s ....why not come here and chat about it....
bad beats
brags
any questions you may have
hand requests
your stories
anything at all
why not post it here!
i,d just like to add,this is not a rival post to the brilliant "abc of dym,s"by john connor,
i just thought i might be "hogging"his a little bit,and i didn,t think this was being fair to him.
so,why not "get the ball rolling,"
let,s here from you!
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  • edited December 2011
    I play a few DYMs but please no bad beat stories. Leave 'em for BB&V and Inane 51


  • edited December 2011
    ho NoseyBonk,nice to hear from you,
    especially as you are the 1st to post! what level are you playing and how are you doing?
  • edited December 2011
    sorry, that,s hi,NoseyBonk
  • edited December 2011
    Anything between 5.50 and 22 usually, whatever takes my fancy at the time. Used to play a lot with jimifloyd & JohnConnor but play a lot less now as I got bored of DYM.


  • edited December 2011
    you,ve played with the big boy,s then Nosey.
    what u playing now ..cash?
    guessing you must be doing ok to be playing those levels!
    i myself have just moved up to the £3.30 level,so not quite in your league yet....lol
  • edited December 2011

    Question

    If your playing bad players who call AIPR wide in DYM, is this good for your BR ?

    If you get your chips across the line as minimum 60/40 favorites all the time, we should win long-term right?

    Answers on a postcard

    Keep the faith

     

     

    Look through your hand histories, what’s the percentage of getting it in ahead, 55% > is good !

  • edited December 2011
    I think early in DYM's it's good to have bad players but late I actually prefer to have one bad player and two good ones and the two good ones either side of me, this means I often get walks and also have a nice larder of chips to steal from when need be. 

    Whilst I'm waiting the bad player hopefully eventually walks into a monster and hopefully from someone other than me who's not allowedd to win with the best hand :).
  • edited December 2011
    Why are DYM low variance ?

    Surely the bubble nature make them high variance - discuss 


  • edited December 2011
    Its reet boring at work today so thought i wud join in.
    Doing ok on DYMs in reasonable profit and play 11, 16.50 and a few 22s once i have had a few beers.
    Normally play 3 tables at a time for about 2 hours each evening when the wife is watchin the soaps.
  • edited December 2011
    good posts men,please keep them coming!
    alway,s  especially             interesting to hear what you rancid & Dudeskin8 have to say.

    re your question rancid regarding "why are DYM low varience?"
    "surely the bubble nature make them high varience-discuss"
     in my opinion, the reason you could make an argument for dym,s being low varience is,

    the % you are risking in relation to your b/roll for each dym you play is so very small
    eg;if you are playing say a £3.30 dym and your b/roll is a fairly modest £100
    and you lose,you have lost just 3.3% of your roll.
    and obviously the higher your b/roll the more that % drops.
    eg;£200 b/roll becomes just 2% and £300 becomes 1%
    as my b/roll is just under £300 at the moment i can comfortly play the £3.30 level and
    although painfull as it alway,s is when you lose,it,s not going to keep me awake at night!
    that ,s why in my opinion 22 buy-ins just isn,t enough for any level
    i would want at least 50 per table,ideally 100 per table!
    but thats just me,i,m a nit.
  • edited December 2011
    reading my last post back,again.i said 50 buy-ins per table i think i meant min 50 buy-ins per level....sorry
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    good posts men,please keep them coming! alway,s  especially             interesting to hear what you rancid & Dudeskin8 have to say. re your question rancid regarding "why are DYM low varience?" "surely the bubble nature make them high varience-discuss"  in my opinion, the reason you could make an argument for dym,s being low varience is, the % you are risking in relation to your b/roll for each dym you play is so very small eg;if you are playing say a £3.30 dym and your b/roll is a fairly modest £100 and you lose,you have lost just 3.3% of your roll. and obviously the higher your b/roll the more that % drops. eg;£200 b/roll becomes just 2% and £300 becomes 1% as my b/roll is just under £300 at the moment i can comfortly play the £3.30 level and although painfull as it alway,s is when you lose,it,s not going to keep me awake at night! that ,s why in my opinion 22 buy-ins just isn,t enough for any level i would want at least 50 per table,ideally 100 per table! but thats just me,i,m a nit.
    Posted by devonfish5

    Don't think variance is linked to the percentage of you BR in play.

    eg.

    If your playing cash it's low variance - your not pressured into making moves by the blinds or size of your stack

    If your playing MTT, then the pressure is there so you have to take spots where you may only be a 60/40 or 55/45 or even as a slight dog. So therefore you expect the variance to be higher.

    As for DYM, well I am not sure - for me the bubble is just that - the bubble for me is high variance
    The blind level go up fast so the pressure mounts - for me this leads to higher variance because you are forced into spots



  • edited December 2011
    A lot of it imo is all about picking the right shove spots which of course with practise should get easier.

    For example it's probably better to shove 32o in the SB vs a similar stack of say 10bbs than shoving K10 UTG and having to get through 3 stacks including the obvious big stack who's prone to snapping with any ace/KQ/KJ/small pairs etc. 

    Also in DYM's as apposed to MTT's you can let yourself get very short 6-7 bbs at times and still be alive purely due to doing the above and just keeping your head above water.
  • edited December 2011
    how about this then rancid.you,ve got £100 in your b/roll.
    you load up 1 cash table 4nl....4% of your roll.
    you get AA first hand...they get beaten by a worse hand.
    you are on £96.
    you re-load.with in a minute of playing you are already chasing....agreed?
    or....
    you load up either a £3.30 or preferably £2.25dym
    either 3.3% or 2.2% of your roll,
    the same happens,you are only £3.30 OR £2.25 down!
    of course you could just load up £3.30 or £2,25on 4nl table
    but the so called better players don,t do that...do they?

     another thing,during a cash session,how many times during that session are you flipping for let,s say
    50% of your stack or more?
    let,s just very conservativly say 4 times(i know from playing it,s alot higher than that)
    so  averages say you win 2 lose 2...correct?
    so you win the 1st flip, you are on £5.80 lets say,
    all in with KK...AK calls...you,re not even flipping
    what are you about 70%...great!!!!
    oh no,he,s hit his ace...he,s all-in with let,s say £2.70
    you,ve done nothing wrong.,..and you are on £3.10....90p down!

    oh and then there,s the rake,i haven,t even got sterted on that!
    think i,ll leave that 4 now

    all in all rancid,i think it all comes down to how we all see it,and as we are all different,
    we will mostly all see it differently.the only thing that you really can,t argue with are the stats.

    i think that dym,s are lower varience than cash because you know the exact  amount you are staking on each game and on each hand.
    in cash the amounts involved at risk are always changing,therefor you are playing at a higher varience level.

    i am sure my explanation is not perphaps technically correct,know doubt someone else will possibly
    enlighten us/me.

    anyway,got to go tea is just about ready.
    then it,s....load up and start again

    see you soon





  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    how about this then rancid.you,ve got £100 in your b/roll. you load up 1 cash table 4nl....4% of your roll. you get AA first hand...they get beaten by a worse hand. you are on £96. you re-load.with in a minute of playing you are already chasing....agreed? or.... you load up either a £3.30 or preferably £2.25dym either 3.3% or 2.2% of your roll, the same happens,you are only £3.30 OR £2.25 down! of course you could just load up £3.30 or £2,25on 4nl table but the so called better players don,t do that...do they?  another thing,during a cash session,how many times during that session are you flipping for let,s say 50% of your stack or more? let,s just very conservativly say 4 times(i know from playing it,s alot higher than that) so  averages say you win 2 lose 2...correct? so you win the 1st flip, you are on £5.80 lets say, all in with KK...AK calls...you,re not even flipping what are you about 70%...great!!!! oh no,he,s hit his ace...he,s all-in with let,s say £2.70 you,ve done nothing wrong.,..and you are on £3.10....90p down! oh and then there,s the rake,i haven,t even got sterted on that! think i,ll leave that 4 now all in all rancid,i think it all comes down to how we all see it,and as we are all different, we will mostly all see it differently.the only thing that you really can,t argue with are the stats. i think that dym,s are lower varience than cash because you know the exact  amount you are staking on each game and on each hand. in cash the amounts involved at risk are always changing,therefor you are playing at a higher varience level. i am sure my explanation is not perphaps technically correct,know doubt someone else will possibly enlighten us/me. anyway,got to go tea is just about ready. then it,s....load up and start again see you soon
    Posted by devonfish5
    im not a dym player but have dabbled a little,but this post is all wrong comparing it to cash.

    i honestly dont know where to start disecting your logic in this post,
  • edited December 2011
    well i,d be interested on your thoughts TINTIN.

    that,s why i started this blog this morning

    let,s here what you,ve got to say

    i,ve simply given my opinion nothing more!
  • edited December 2011
    Fix yer keyboard! :-D haha

  • edited December 2011

    They are like Marmite

    I like Marmite alot, but i despise DYMs.

    The only difference is that I still play DYMS, but if i disliked Marmite I wouldnt eat Marmite Sandwiches (unless it made me money)


  • edited December 2011
    nice one GREGHOGG,

    funny that , i hate marmite

    loving dym,s at the moment

    ,aint it great how we,re all different...lol
  • edited December 2011
    haha I also hate marmite, and also hate dym's when I'm losing, which is pretty regular lol
  • edited December 2011

    Hope this will help. I started playing on line in May and discovered this system by accident. Further research "on-going".

    This morning I`m minding the family business showroom. Well, we ain`t exactly Tesco`s when it comes to footfall, so I have fired up the trusty laptop and entered a 50p dym. Right on cue, before the first hand is even dealt, in come Mr and Mrs Pain in the **** with their delightful spawn/offspring. 40mins later off they go and I dive to laptop. Game Over and I have doubled my money! Obvious new system, enter everything, shut the shop, take the wife out for the day. Result, loads of gratitude and life enhancing privileges from said wife plus stacks of cash. Ditch wife, leave laptop running on repeat basis and head for the South Sea Islands in search of Dusky Maidens. (Very sexist but "whatever"). Come to think of it, the way I play this probably is the only way for me to win. Good Night and Good Luck


     
  • edited December 2011
    Question.

    Why is it that so many players love DYM's but not HU??
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    well i,d be interested on your thoughts TINTIN. that,s why i started this blog this morning let,s here what you,ve got to say i,ve simply given my opinion nothing more!
    Posted by devonfish5
    1. you said about reloading in cash games. yes people will reload if they were to lose all on 1st hand but you compare it to a dym where should you lose on 1st hand would you not be inclined to reg for another? is this not the same thing? also there is no obligation to reload, we are welcome to stand at any time

    2. you talk about monetery value (£100)  where playing a £3.30 dym is less then sitting with max at nl4 and is using less from this mythical bankroll. i fail to see what point you are trying to make here about varience other than your paying less to play a diff variety of game. for arguement sake should it not be buyins to make all things equal

    3. you talk about flips.it cant be compared because of the stack of blinds you have in front of you. your stack is dwindling all the time relative to the blinds where cash is no rise so flips dont have to occur with players being deeper. you can win a flip early in a dym for stacks but you arent gtd to still cash. your are a good part of the way there. should we take a flip n win in cash we are allowed to stand and bank the profit there n then. sometimes you are forced to take the flip in dym because the situation dictates because you are playing so few blinds.

    4. your cash example. i have no clue what you are trying to demonstrate here other than its losing 90p

    im sure theres other parts that i dont agree with but thats what i can remember just now.

    everyones entilted to an opinion, would be a boring place if we all thought the same.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    how about this then rancid.you,ve got £100 in your b/roll. you load up 1 cash table 4nl....4% of your roll. you get AA first hand...they get beaten by a worse hand. you are on £96. you re-load.with in a minute of playing you are already chasing....agreed? or.... you load up either a £3.30 or preferably £2.25dym either 3.3% or 2.2% of your roll, the same happens,you are only £3.30 OR £2.25 down! of course you could just load up £3.30 or £2,25on 4nl table but the so called better players don,t do that...do they?  another thing,during a cash session,how many times during that session are you flipping for let,s say 50% of your stack or more? let,s just very conservativly say 4 times(i know from playing it,s alot higher than that) so  averages say you win 2 lose 2...correct? so you win the 1st flip, you are on £5.80 lets say, all in with KK...AK calls...you,re not even flipping what are you about 70%...great!!!! oh no,he,s hit his ace...he,s all-in with let,s say £2.70 you,ve done nothing wrong.,..and you are on £3.10....90p down! oh and then there,s the rake,i haven,t even got sterted on that! think i,ll leave that 4 now all in all rancid,i think it all comes down to how we all see it,and as we are all different, we will mostly all see it differently.the only thing that you really can,t argue with are the stats. i think that dym,s are lower varience than cash because you know the exact  amount you are staking on each game and on each hand. in cash the amounts involved at risk are always changing,therefor you are playing at a higher varience level. i am sure my explanation is not perphaps technically correct,know doubt someone else will possibly enlighten us/me. anyway,got to go tea is just about ready. then it,s....load up and start again see you soon
    Posted by devonfish5
    The amount of money at stake is not variance, that is BRM.

    Variance is the element of poker you can't control, once we get our money or chips over the line.
    All we can do if get it in ahead.


    In effect MTT force your hand so you have to play therefore higher variance imo
    While in cash nothing is forced on you so lower variance

    So some formats imo increase the possibility of higher variance than other formats

    Bringing me round to DYM, you can't sit around - bubble time will come - your hand will be forced becuse of raising blinds

    For this reason I think DYM are high variance !

    But I stand corrected if someone would like to set me straight ?












  • edited December 2011
    Like DYM's as, for the most part, everyone has the same aims.

    However get wicked headaches from the constant bubble tension.  Anyone else get that?
  • edited December 2011
    it,s late and not the best time 4 me to get into any debates now
    so i won,t!
    anyway,all i,ll say is we all have our own views on different things
    which is great,because if we all had the same,we wouldn,t be talking to each other,
    i guess!

    on to tonight,
    tough session,down early on but managed to grind out a 23-13 win
    won £16.50
    b/roll £314.72

    just about been playing dym,s 4 a month now

    started on nov 14th
    up £103.79

    hoooray

    nite all
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    Question. Why is it that so many players love DYM's but not HU??
    Posted by Bobsicool3
    because you can always blame somebody else for the way the game went - never our fault is it?
  • edited December 2011
    hi AMYBR
    i do know what you mean buddy
    for me i think that it,s more to do with the concentration level
    i do come off the tables quite drained
    and i too feel my head pounding 4 a little while
    but thankfully it soon passes

    don,t know if there is an awful lot you can do about it,
    how long are you playing each session?
    you could try shortening them
    see if that helps.maybe
  • edited December 2011
    Usually play 2 or 3 8 handed $33 dym's.  Sessions vary depending on run/ headache bud.

    I try to use them as satellites.  Rather than use the money as perceived profit.  So a stand alone dym win becomes a MTT BI or discount for a larger T entry.  It seems easier than going through standard sats.

    When it works....... :p
  • edited December 2011
    hi again AMYBR

    do you genarally suffer with headaches then or is it simply after playing poker?

    just as a matter of interest,what site r u playing these on?

    keep posting buddy,always here if u fancy a chat
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