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DYM....have your say......

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  • edited December 2011
    mainly the site above 777 and below 999.

    No not headaches much really.  As said, I think its just the constant bubble tension.

  • edited December 2011
    ah, think i,ve managed 2 work that one out...lol

    don,t think there,s much you can do about it then AMYBR

    i,ve got a couple of friends who play on party poker,
    tried getting them to join sky but they seem 2 like it there.

    i did look into it and in fact deposited £25 with them
    but wish i hadn,t ,as every time you wanted to make a withdrawal
    it cost you £1.50,
    so as a matter of principle withdrew the lot,on the same day in fact,
    and got back £23.50.....great hey!

    still, you live and learn i suppose.
    anyway....
    glad now i,ve stayed with sky,as i am on the best run i have ever been on
    since joining back in the summer of 2010
    can,t do no wrong playing dym,s at the moment
    don,t know how much longer it can last?

    hopefully,untill xmas at least and into next year...who knows!
  • edited December 2011
    Was this a correct all in call? Did I do wrong?

    Hand History #450903390 (15:51 17/12/2011)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    allezbath Small blind  150.00 150.00 1250.00
    SSSSmurf Big blind  300.00 450.00 1910.00
      Your hole cards
    • 3
    • A
         
    doreenw11 Fold     
    Gasman52 Fold     
    Twenny_P All-in  1920.00 2370.00 0.00
    Billy648 Fold     
    allezbath Fold     
    SSSSmurf All-in  1910.00 4280.00 0.00
    SSSSmurf Unmatched bet  290.00 3990.00 290.00
    SSSSmurf Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    Twenny_P Show
    • 3
    • A
       
    Flop
       
    • 9
    • A
    • 2
         
    Turn
       
    • 4
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    Twenny_P Win Two Pairs, Aces and 4s 3990.00  3990.00
  • edited December 2011
    when you copy, miss out top line  player, action etc, the hand history comes out much better.

    can't see stack sizes to make a judgement.
  • edited December 2011
    hi Twenny P,
    it was definately the wrong play 4 me

    with blinds at 150/300 no need to make this move

    all you have there is a rag ace,you are losing to so many hands
    i think if you play rag ace,s at all,which you shouldn,t
    best to see a flop as cheap as poss, then go from there.

    if you had just made up the big blind there,costing you 150 chips
    SSSSmurf probably raises or goes all-in and you fold,no damage done

    don,t 4 get dym,s are all about surviving as long as possible
    you are not neccesarily playing just for the win
  • edited December 2011
    sorry Twenny P  i,ve messed up this one
    you should have checked youf ace 3
     then if SSSSmurf checks behind you
    you get to see flop 4 free
    if he raises you or goes all-in,which he might
    you can then fold,i think.

    any way..it worked out for you this time
    would you make the same play next time?
  • edited December 2011
    pmsl, if only they could all be this easy. this was only the second hand into a 30p dym
    ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    REESHKA Small blind  10.00 10.00 1970.00
    CHAPMANKA Big blind  20.00 30.00 3060.00
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • 7
       
    spornybol Fold     
    Beeney83 Raise  40.00 70.00 1960.00
    michael110 All-in  980.00 1050.00 0.00
    mozak48 Call  980.00 2030.00 980.00
    REESHKA Call  970.00 3000.00 1000.00
    CHAPMANKA Fold     
    Beeney83 Raise  1880.00 4880.00 80.00
    mozak48 All-in  980.00 5860.00 0.00
    REESHKA Call  980.00 6840.00 20.00
    Beeney83 Call  40.00 6880.00 40.00
    Flop
      
    • A
    • K
    • K
       
    REESHKA Check     
    Beeney83 Bet  20.00 6900.00 20.00
    REESHKA All-in  20.00 6920.00 0.00
    REESHKA Show
    • 3
    • 3
       
    Beeney83 Show
    • K
    • A
       
    michael110 Show
    • J
    • 8
       
    mozak48 Show
    • 5
    • 5
       
    Turn
      
    • 5
       
    River
      
    • 9
       
    Beeney83 Win Full House, Kings and Aces 6920.00  6940.00
  • edited December 2011
    back from a week,s poker break

    still grinding at £3.30 level

    no change,won 15 lost 8

    won £14.10

    balance now £328.82

    target now to get to £500 asap

    then attack the £5.50 level

    good luck to everyone for  2012
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    Question. Why is it that so many players love DYM's but not HU??
    Posted by Bobsicool3
    Both ultimately are a 50/50 shot.

    In DYMs though its easier to rely on other people to make mistakes and carry you through.

    HU youre in the action every round. Much more pressure and at micro level very difficult to rely on skill over luck.
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    Usually play 2 or 3 8 handed $33 dym's.  Sessions vary depending on run/ headache bud. I try to use them as satellites.  Rather than use the money as perceived profit.  So a stand alone dym win becomes a MTT BI or discount for a larger T entry.  It seems easier than going through standard sats. When it works....... :p
    Posted by AMYBR
    Thats a great idea!
  • edited December 2011
    just finished another session

    won 18  lost 5

    profit  £32.10

    balance £360.92

    can,t believe how the run keeps on going

    surely got to hit the brick wall sometime....haven,t i  ?

    anyway,got to enjoy it while it lasts

    keep you posted

    the devonfish
  • edited December 2011
    a struggle tonight

    won 20  lost 16
    profit £1.20

    at least c4points going up  929
    71 to get tomorrow

    balance £362.12

    back tomorrow 

    nite
  • edited December 2011
    if last nite was a struggle
    god knows what 2nite was.

    hit that dammed brick wall,
    but no surprise,i knew it was coming.

    won 21  lost 24

    lost £22.50

    it,s ok though
    i,m rolled for it.

    balance now £335.12

    still £117
    up since starting dym,s
    so,no worries

    as the great man said

    "i,ll be back"

    nite
  • edited December 2011
    Oh so you do run bad too lol. 
  • edited December 2011
    it,s the first really bad nite Dude
    since i started DYMs on nov 14th,
    so can,t really complain though....lol

    i knew it was coming
    and it,s happened so many times playing cash,
    i was ready for it...boo hoo

    anyway,see you on the tables no doubt
    and best wishes for 2012,
    i,m sure you will!

    devon

  • edited December 2011
    Chin up Devon...

    As you say only the first bad nite, so lots of good ones been had and still to have...

    I on the other hand am getting the roll...
    Total Games78Deposits£40.00per Game
    Wins42Profit/Loss-£2.80-£0.04
    Loses36-7% 
    Only £2.80 to win to be back on level terms..

    Even took a gamble tonight and played a very hard game (and risky) at £5.50 stake
    Was a long game and I was almost a gonna on a couple of occasions
    Down to bubble and 3 of us were all closely stacked and with blinds up to 300/600 it was flowing back and forth for a while. Getting no hands to play safely..
    Took a gamble on a K Q suited and luckily hit a Q to take chip lead and next hand pair 7's with a 7 river took the original chip leader (for maybe 85% of the game) out of the cash (he must be gutted!! lol)

    Don't you just love the game they call Poker... ha ha..

    Back to the £1.15 stakes tomorrow (less stress)

    Twenny
  • edited December 2011
    keep going Twenny P
     
    can you do it ?

    YES YOU CAN.
  • edited December 2011
    feeling a bit better tonight

    won 26  lost 20

    won £4.20

    balance £339.32
    nite
  • edited December 2011
    not really dym related
    but hey i started the post,
    so i might just get away with it,

    hooooray,just won 10am freeroll  £13.50

    (4th time actually,but guess that,s bragging a bit)

    all helps though,doesn,t it!

    bankroll now £352.82

    devon
  • edited December 2011
    I always find it helps to hit quads when playing DYMs.

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    IckyAcky Small blind
    150.00 150.00 1290.00
    Wilhelm Big blind   300.00 450.00 1600.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    PokerVain Fold        
    18OPOWER Call   300.00 750.00 5260.00
    IckyAcky Fold        
    Wilhelm All-in   1600.00 2350.00 0.00
    18OPOWER Call   1600.00 3950.00 3660.00
    Wilhelm Show
    • Q
    • Q
         
    18OPOWER Show
    • A
    • K
         
    Flop
       
    • A
    • K
    • 7
         
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    Wilhelm Win Four Queens 3950.00   3950.00
  • edited December 2011
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    I always find it helps to hit quads when playing DYMs. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance IckyAcky Small blind 150.00 150.00 1290.00 Wilhelm Big blind   300.00 450.00 1600.00   Your hole cards Q Q       PokerVain Fold         18OPOWER Call   300.00 750.00 5260.00 IckyAcky Fold         Wilhelm All-in   1600.00 2350.00 0.00 18OPOWER Call   1600.00 3950.00 3660.00 Wilhelm Show Q Q       18OPOWER Show A K       Flop     A K 7       Turn     Q       River     Q       Wilhelm Win Four Queens 3950.00   3950.00
    Posted by Wilhelm
    I bet your heart sank at that flop!

    lol...

    Quality
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    . . . .Game Wins 42      Profit/Loss -£2.80    Loses 36   [loss rate] -7%  
    Posted by Twenny_P
    I found this thread and read through it with some interest, as I suppose with the exception of the odd poker points MTT I'm exclusively a DYM player. The extract from Twenny_P's posting above just about sums up the DYM dynamic - win 42/78 games (54% of the games played) but still end up with a -7% win/loss rate. The house edge (or whatever you want to call the buy in fee) gets you again. SkyPoker is the real winner.

    Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.

    If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).

    The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.

    Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?


    Good cards.
  • edited January 2012

    I have seen DYM mentioned all over the forum since I started reading regularly last week. It is only now that I have decided to find out what it meant..   I have played a fair few 9 man STT on various sites in the past, but to be honest I have never heard of a DYM before.  Is this type of STT exclusive to Sky or is it a popular variant of Sng I have some how never seen before?   

  • edited January 2012
    " I found this thread and read through it with some interest, as I suppose with the exception of the odd poker points MTT I'm exclusively a DYM player. The extract from Twenny_P's posting above just about sums up the DYM dynamic - win 42/78 games (54% of the games played) but still end up with a -7% win/loss rate. The house edge (or whatever you want to call the buy in fee) gets you again. SkyPoker is the real winner.

    Playing the 30p games, with the 5p (20%) buy-in means you have to be playing consistently with a 20% advantage in order to come out on top. As someone has pointed out, the tourney structure with increasing blinds means this is unlikely - at some stage you'll be obliged to play many -EV hands, let alone ones that carry an EV of +20, and the averaging effect of doing so will dilute away those big advantages you have when they do turn up (the AA v underpair). So at the micro levels I think the chances of consistently beating the buy-in are slim. The best level to play is the £3.30 games, as these carry a HE of just 10%, and beating 10% is certainly achievable.

    If you're interested, since 24 July when I last dumped a few pennies into my account I've played 571 games (mainly the 30p ones), cashing with 337 and losing on 234. But despite winning 103 (18%) more games than I've lost I'm still out of pocket to the tune of £3.00. An 18% win rate isn't enough to put my results in the black. If you apply these results to the £3.30 games (with the 10% edge), I would be in the black by around 8%, on total buy ins of c£2,840 = £227.20? (all theoretical of course).

    The moral behind the story is to play games that have the lowest house edge/buy in if your aim is to either make some money or have results that sit in the black. Individual session results are largely academic, although of course once you have a few hundred games on the sheet you can use them to determine average win/loss rates etc when looking to the future. Having said that, 571 games (22,000 hands at rougly 40 hands per game?) isn't nearly enough to allow one to separate the outcomes caused by variance in the cards being dealt and the outcomes resulting from one's style of play and level of skill.

    Moving up or down levels, as a result of analysing your win/loss rate and applying this to games that have a lower house edge/buy in does, of course, bring some other considerations into play - the higher up the levels one plays, in theory the better the opposition - so your skill and style of play is more likely to have a bearing on your results - and so variance less so (again in theory)?


    Good cards."


    what a superb post this is

    beggars my belief why and how players can afford to grind these very low stake dyms fro such high rake , are some of them even aware that it is pretty much an industry high?

    yes you can beat them but with those rake levels there wont be many winners over time


  • edited January 2012
    hi barnsie,
    good post.
    you mention you have played some 571
    games,since 24/7 /11 mainly at 30p level.
    i am interested to know why didn,t you
    try your luck at 60p or better still £1.15 levels
    where the rake drops to 15%
    thus giving YOU the slightly better edge?

    as you so rightly say
    had you been playing at £3.30
    you would be in profit £227.20

    isn,t that telling you something?

    interested to know what level you are playing now?
    anyway,good luck

    devon




    ,
  • edited January 2012
    hi devon

    it was the original poster who has played the games

    personally i find dyms boring as hell but each to there own


  • edited January 2012
    ah,sorry mate,
    my mistake

    hope you forgive a silly old duffer

    devon
  • edited January 2012
    In Response to Re: DYM....have your say......:
    what a superb post this  . . . .
    Posted by barnsie
    I'm very flattered. Thank you.

    As to the other question, still playing mainly at 30p a pop, althopugh on occasions I'll push the boat out and put £1.15 on the line. I'm not interested in playing to build a bankroll, make money etc. Strictly for fun, and for the challenge of analysing and understanding the numbers that fall out of it all. So if you drop down to the smallest of the micros we might share a table . . .

    Best wishes for the New Year both.
  • edited January 2012
    hi Goethe

    you i think must be in a very small minority,
    not interested in building a b/roll?

    i have played at the 30p&60p levels,
    not that long ago in fact,
    and as i won at both levels
    quickly moved up to £1.15 purely because of the 5% rake saving,
    as above to ££2.25
    and again to £3.30.

    i would be interested to know roughly
    how much you have in your poker account
    so i could advise you,(if you wanted me to)
    on the level you either should or could be playing at.

    anyway,as long as you are happy
    what does it matter!

    i do know that if i am sitting down playing
    for hours on end,i would rather be winning
    than just breaking even.

    cheers

    devon
  • edited January 2012
    Deposited twenty quid on 24th July. Still have £14.15 as at 3rd January. Five month's regular entertainment for a fiver? As I said, purely for fun and the challenge of the numbers. I do play live once a week for an eight quid buy-in, which is entertaining and has covered the cost of dinner for two once or twice.

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