New DYM level?

lMARKl

There is quite a jump between the £5 and £10 DYM's BR wise compared to the other levels, is there any chance of getting a £7.50 level added ?


Thanks,


Mark

JohnConnor

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There is quite a jump between the £5 and £10 DYM's BR wise compared to the other levels, is there any chance of getting a £7.50 level added ? Thanks, Mark
Posted by lMARKl

I really like this idea. If there's a need for £16.50s (which I think there is), I would think there's a need for these.

achill

good idea.

Jimbobadob

As for me who mainly plays £5 & £10 DYM's, i think this would be a great addition and could see a £7.50 level quite popular.

Good post lMARKl

devonfish5

quite agree,

COME ON SKY,

let,s give it a try!

devon

Tikay10

Morning Lads.

I'll send it upstairs, but to be honest, I doubt they'll go down this road.

The more different Levels they introduce, the thinner it spreads the liquidity. I would imagine the thinking would be that it's better to concentrate the liquidity on less price levels, than have more price levels with less liquidity.

unknown_username

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There is quite a jump between the £5 and £10 DYM's BR wise compared to the other levels, is there any chance of getting a £7.50 level added ? Thanks, Mark
Posted by lMARKl

I think the level would have to be £7.75 if i'm not mistaken based on the existing levels

£2.25, £5.50, £7.75, £11.00 etc etc

But like you say, its a big jump on the BR from £5.50 to £11.00 so I can see the need. I personally would be more likely to move up levels from £5.50 to £7.75 easily, but £5.50 to £11.00 is too big a jump for some.

I'm lost on Tikays analogy of "Liquidity" Lol 

devonfish5

sorry tk
think u got this one wrong.

think it,s called supply & demand,

or is it the other way around,this time!

devon

yidette9

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In Response to New DYM level? : I really like this idea. If there's a need for £16.50s (which I think there is), I would think there's a need for these.
Posted by JohnConnor

+1

Poker_Fail

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In Response to New DYM level? : I think the level would have to be £7.75 if i'm not mistaken based on the existing levels £2.25, £5.50, £7.75, £11.00 etc etc But like you say, its a big jump on the BR from £5.50 to £11.00 so I can see the need. I personally would be more likely to move up levels from £5.50 to £7.75 easily, but £5.50 to £11.00 is too big a jump for some. I'm lost on Tikays analogy of "Liquidity" Lol 
Posted by POKERTREV

It would have to be £7.70 (10% rake)

This should be done, I remember when I uses to play the £5.50s often but was scared of the £11s, people will be able to move up the levels faster ad earn Sky more rakes

Tikay10

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[QUOTE]sorry tk think u got this one wrong. think it,s called supply & demand, or is it the other way around,this time! devon
Posted by devonfish5

Precisely.

If there were adequate demand, Sky Poker would do it.

At the moment, despite the Site operating at record traffic Levels for the last few months, & being oodles ahead y-o-y, there would not be enough demand to fulfil the proposed £7.50 Level without severely reducing demand at either/both the £5.50 & £11 Levels. So it would be self-defeating, as it would decrease liquidity at TWO Levels. 

splashies

It's a nice idea in theory, but i have to agree with Tikay here.

devonfish5

i get what u r saying tk,

but surely if a suggestion has been raised,
which it has,
and the dym players that actually play these games
are all saying that it would be beneficial,
which i might just add,
even a top player such as john connor agrees.
how can u say that it would be self-defeating,
as the players that are rolled for the £11 levels
are simply going to stay there,
why would they want to drop down?
ok,lets say some would,
but they are still playing,
so what,s the problem?

sorry tk
can,t see you changing my mind on this one mate,

"just saying"

devon

devonfish5

looks like you & tk

are on you own on this one splashies

"just saying"

devon

splashies

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looks like you & tk are on you own on this one splashies "just saying" devon
Posted by devonfish5

If a £7.70 level was introduced, the games at £5.50 and £11 will run less often. It's quite simple.

As it stands, the £5.50 and £11 levels have a decent player base. I'd hate to see this affected.

salad24

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In Response to Re: New DYM level? : If a £7.70 level was introduced, the games at £5.50 and £11 will run less often. It's quite simple. As it stands, the £5.50 and £11 levels have a decent player base. I'd hate to see this affected.
Posted by splashies

+ 1

lMARKl

Thanks for the replies guys, the level I was proposing was £7.50 + rake i.e. £8.25 which would bring it in line the the jumps % wise as the other levels.

Personally using my bank roll plan I would be rolled to  multi table table these rather than the £5.50's meaning sky would earn 25p a game extra from me and I would get the extra C4P  .  From the looks of the lobby the £5.50 games appear to be most popular DYM, i'm sure there must be other's that would be rolled for these but not for the £11's.

Thanks for taking the time to reply TK and passing the idea on.  I appreciate I cant see the bigger picture as the people 'upstairs' can, if they decide it would affect the other levels then so be it, personally I beleive it would just give people a better chance of getting to the high stakes quicker.

Tikay10

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i get what u r saying tk, but surely if a suggestion has been raised, which it has, and the dym players that actually play these games are all saying that it would be beneficial, which i might just add, even a top player such as john connor agrees. how can u say that it would be self-defeating, as the players that are rolled for the £11 levels are simply going to stay there, why would they want to drop down? ok,lets say some would, but they are still playing, so what,s the problem? sorry tk can,t see you changing my mind on this one mate, "just saying" devon
Posted by devonfish5

I'm not attempting to change your mind, Devon, I simply answered the question factually. I'm not going to come on here & tell you porkies, I stated facts.

You said (my enboldenment).....

"....the dym players that actually play these games are all saying that it would be beneficial...."

But that is untrue - they are NOT "all saying" it. A handful - 4 or 5 - have Posted in support of the suggestion, & I respect their opinion. But 4 or 5 players is not "all the players", or even a significant number. It's a handful.

I can only answer the questions put before me honestly.

It is a fact, Sir, that the liquidity @ the Level below & above WOULD be impacted, such that, overall, the effect would be detrimental.

There is a need to understand how liquidity works, & it's a crucial part of why this Site is still  growing so quickly, whilst almost every other Online Poker Site is in terminal decline.

Guess we shall have to agree to disagree, but your suggestion is noted.

Have a great weekend.

Tikay10

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Thanks for the replies guys, the level I was proposing was £7.50 + rake i.e. £8.25 which would bring it in line the the jumps % wise as the other levels. Personally using my bank roll plan I would be rolled to  multi table table these rather than the £5.50's meaning sky would earn 25p a game extra from me and I would get the extra C4P  .  From the looks of the lobby the £5.50 games appear to be most popular DYM, i'm sure there must be other's that would be rolled for these but not for the £11's. Thanks for taking the time to reply TK and passing the idea on.  I appreciate I cant see the bigger picture as the people 'upstairs' can, if they decide it would affect the other levels then so be it, personally I beleive it would just give people a better chance of getting to the high stakes quicker.
Posted by lMARKl

Thanks Mark, & I appreciate the balance within your reply.

As you know, we try very hard to please as many players as possible, but it's tough to tick every box, it really is.

Run good at those £5.50's, & hopefully you'll soon be crushing the £11's!

devonfish5

thank-you for your reply tk.

think you are right,
no not that there isn,t room for a new level,

that we will just have to agree to disagree on this one!

i,m sure that there will be alot more to come
on this one.

also
big thanks to MARK

for the post.

ps,
have a great w/end yourself tk

best wishes

devonfish5

1267

On a more realistic note, could you add a 150 DYM  (165) ?  ,  instead of the 220.  Never seen a 220 run !  not through lack of trying.

Tikay10

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On a more realistic note, could you add a 150 DYM  (165) ?  ,  instead of the 220.  Never seen a 220 run !  not through lack of trying.
Posted by 1267

Fair question. I'm not convinced that, if the £220's never run, the £165's would, but you may be right. 

Jimbobadob

It is a fact, Sir, that the liquidity @ the Level below & above WOULD be impacted, such that, overall, the effect would be detrimental.

Im not so sure - £5.50 DYM's fill up very quickly these days and to introduce a new £7.50 (or £7.75/£8.25) level would not only benefit sky (more rake) but also those players looking to step up from the £3.30 & £5.50 levels.

It would also be good to get more response from the regs/people that play these levels, as Tikay says 4/5 people is not really enough to say - hold on most people at these levels will be interested in a new level in between £5.50 & £11


Run good at the tables this weekend

Jimbob

SHANXTA

Afraid I agree with Tikay and Splashies on this one.

Sky just doesn't have enough traffic for this IMO, whilst it prob wouldn't affect things for the few peak hours every evening, it would for the rest of the day.

Also no need for the £16.50 level IMO as well

YOUNG_GUN

I think this would be a great idea, but agree with tikay. Possibly worth a trial and see how it affects the £5.50 level and £11. 

in line with current dym's would have to be £7.75 too 

gixxerk4

another possible I would like to see is a £3 turbo dym the £5 is pretty popular and the £10 reasonably so (more so after 7pm) find it difficult to get 6 tables on the go and £2 just a bit too low for me and the rake is
25p which puts me off think a £3 would be reasonably popular without affecting other levels too much

SUPERSNEDD

Any chance of 10 seater DYM's or STT's that pay out top 3?

ALFIE123

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Any chance of 10 seater DYM's or STT's that pay out top 3?
Posted by SUPERSNEDD

+1 on this. Always played this format on another site. 1st get 50% of prize pool and 2nd £ 30% and 3rd 20%

Lambert180

I'm not having a go Tikay, this is a genuine question but I'd be interested for you (or someone else) to explain this liquidity theory...

Surely if 20 players stop playing £5.50s and 20 players stop playing £11 games, they haven't disappeared, them players are playing £7.50s (or whatever the level would be) so you've still got them 40 players playing, some of them maybe at lowing stakes earning less rake but I'd imagine it would be predominantly players moving up and paying more rake. So surely it can't affect the total volume of players on the site?

I am genuinely confused about how this would have a detrimental effect and would really like to understand this more. It's not like there's a shortage of players at £5.50 so I can't see it harming them running, you can usually register in 1 and it be running within 30-60 seconds (no doubt you have the stats)

Poker_Fail

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I'm not having a go Tikay, this is a genuine question but I'd be interested for you (or someone else) to explain this liquidity theory... Surely if 20 players stop playing £5.50s and 20 players stop playing £11 games, they haven't disappeared, them players are playing £7.50s (or whatever the level would be) so you've still got them 40 players playing, some of them maybe at lowing stakes earning less rake but I'd imagine it would be predominantly players moving up and paying more rake. So surely it can't affect the total volume of players on the site? I am genuinely confused about how this would have a detrimental effect and would really like to understand this more. It's not like there's a shortage of players at £5.50 so I can't see it harming them running, you can usually register in 1 and it be running within 30-60 seconds (no doubt you have the stats)
Posted by Lambert180

This is what i was thinking, I don't see how having another step could be bad, when you are playing the £5.50s it seems like a huge jump to the £11s, and if youre using good BRM then it really is.

Players will attempt to move up faster, surely more rake?

unknown_username

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. . . . It is a fact, Sir, that the liquidity @ the Level below & above WOULD be impacted, such that, overall, the effect would be detrimental
Posted by Tikay10

Hmmm. . . . . having a real hard time getting my head around this one. 10% of a given volume of business (£££s wise), would be the same, regardless of how the volume is distributed across different options? Are you suggesting that the more options there are available to players will affect the takings for Sky (as players would play less)?

Can you expand on the liquidity reasons please?