Diary of the new kids challenge!!

WINKY911

Hi All

Sorry for starting another diary thread, but i really need your help!!.
I joined Sky poker in October last year and have tinkered with all formats of the game with little direction,focus or success!! Before October I knew nothing about poker what so ever and had never played, But since joining the site I have become totally obsessed! The aim of my challenge with the aid of the forum regs is to turn a complete newbie fish into a half decent player!! I want to start at 4NL cash and look to work my way up from there, I have a starting BR of £150 and intend to play between 4-6 tables. I will look to post HH on a regular basis to get some honest feed back on things i have done well and not so well. The ultimate goal would be to have a BR to tackle NL20 by the years end, not sure if this is realistic?? As previously mentioned i genuinely have no poker experience and really really need all your guys help for this challenge to work.

Many thanks in advance

Wayne

STARTING BR £150

JockBMW

Best of Luck Wayne

GaryQQQ

As a non-cash player I won't be one of those able to offer advice, but I wish you the best of luck.

walesboy

at nl4 patience and the ability not to get too annoyed when the inevitable "bad beats" happen is essential.
play your premium hands and be big if hit.
from being on same table this afternoon you have the patience!
good luck

devonfish5

hi wayne,
anything is possible
all depends on just how serious you are,i guess.
in my opinion,i,m thinking nl20 is a big ask,
especially as you say you are a newbie.

think you should tackle the challenge in stages,
firstly;play nl4 on a couple of tables,
then progress to 4 then 6.
if you can increase bank roll to £300+
then why not try nl10.

then if you are still winning and can get up to around £500+
have a shot at nl20.

don,t forget,
it,s never a straight road to the nxt level,
there will undoubtedly be downswings,
and you must ensure you are rolled for each level.
you certainly don,t want to be risking more than 10%
of your b/roll at any one time,
ideally 5%.

best wishes though wayne,

and hope you run well,
especially at the start,
as this will deffo encourage you with your challenge!

devon

rancid

good luck

keep your poker simple ABC big hand - big bet

wayne1958

good luck, same as above dont get down hearted with bad beats.... pokers a never ending game,,,,,,,,

WINKY911

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bigdaz	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.08
POTTY539	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.19
	Your hole cards	K Q
XXXX	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£2.72
WINKY911	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£4.59
cgoldie	Fold
J1MBOE	Fold
bigdaz	Fold
POTTY539	Fold
Flop
		Q 2 7
XXXX	Bet		£0.29	£0.67	£2.43
WINKY911	Raise		£1.01	£1.68	£3.58
XXXX	All-in		£2.43	£4.11	£0.00
WINKY911	Call		£1.71	£5.82	£1.87
XXXX	Show	K K
WINKY911	Show	K Q
Turn
		2
River
		9
XXXX	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 2s	£5.38		£5.38

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Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cgoldie	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.14
XXXX	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.74
	Your hole cards	A A
TF	Fold
POTTY539	Fold
maruff	Fold
WINKY911	Raise		£0.20	£0.26	£3.74
cgoldie	Fold
XXXX	Call		£0.16	£0.42	£3.58
Flop
		7 4 6
XXXX	Check
WINKY911	Bet		£0.26	£0.68	£3.48
XXXX	Raise		£0.73	£1.41	£2.85
WINKY911	Call		£0.47	£1.88	£3.01
Turn
		J
XXXX	Check
WINKY911	Check
River
		3
XXXX	Check
WINKY911	Check
XXXX	Show	7 A
WINKY911	Show	A A
WINKY911	Win	Pair of Aces	£1.73		£4.74

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WINKY911

Hi All
Thanks for the initial input, Much appreciated. Above are the biggest winning and losing hands of the day.
Looking back at the big loosing hand feel like such a clown!! More interested in the winning hand, Was there more value to be had? All opinions welcomed. Steady start to the challenge up £5.36 for the day.

Starting BR £150
Current BR 155.36

TINTIN

In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!!:

Hi All Thanks for the initial input, Much appreciated. Above are the biggest winning and losing hands of the day. Looking back at the big loosing hand feel like such a clown!! More interested in the winning hand, Was there more value to be had? All opinions welcomed. Steady start to the challenge up £5.36 for the day. Starting BR £150 Current BR 155.36
Posted by WINKY911

on winning hand jam the flop once your bet has been raised.

Glenelg

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Hi All Thanks for the initial input, Much appreciated. Above are the biggest winning and losing hands of the day. Looking back at the big loosing hand feel like such a clown!! More interested in the winning hand, Was there more value to be had? All opinions welcomed. Steady start to the challenge up £5.36 for the day. Starting BR £150 Current BR 155.36
Posted by WINKY911

Hi Winky,
Enjoying the Diary.  I'm fairly new to the game, like yourself, BUT don't play cash so advice is short.  Personally, I prefer to focus on reviewing my losing hands.  I think I learn much more from them.  It sounds like you prob know where you erred. 
The cash players on this forum are EXCELLENT at giving advice!  BEWARE tho if they sense another fish in the pool...doo doo doo doo! (that's the Jaws theme in case you were wondering!)

Good luck

Pad

WINKY911

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In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!! : on winning hand jam the flop once your bet has been raised.
Posted by TINTIN

Thanks for the input TINTIN my only concern was that this guy is a 4NL REG who likes to setmine and plays Suited Connecting cards strongly, When he check raised I felt he may have hit his set so was considering folding?? But been a complete fish im not yet good enough to fold pocket AA's Lol. If I did jam the flop im thinking I would only get called by a better hand i.e set. I then was unsure of the best line on the next two streets. Opinions??

Dudeskin8

KQ - Just call the flop bet, by raising it's hard to get value from worse, he has raised 4x UTG so would that include QJ/Q10/Q9 etc, unlikely. Once you raise though you have to call but it's better to just call here and allow him to possibly bluff/value bet worse.

AA - Bet MUCH bigger on flop, I'd make it 40p here or just pot lol, when he raises just shove or raise again but NEVER fold. As played 100% bet turn when checked to. Overall you actually lost £2.85 in this hand which is criminal at NL4.

TINTIN

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In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!! : Thanks for the input TINTIN my only concern was that this guy is a 4NL REG who likes to setmine and plays Suited Connecting cards strongly, When he check raised I felt he may have hit his set so was considering folding?? But been a complete fish im not yet good enough to fold pocket AA's Lol. If I did jam the flop im thinking I would only get called by a better hand i.e set. I then was unsure of the best line on the next two streets. Opinions??
Posted by WINKY911

on that board theres more hands that will call a shove at nl4 than have you beat. tbh if they have set or straight then sigh yell at something n move on. but i feel you could get called by any 7 any over pair and even a big draw that still needs to hit.

as played you defo need to bet turn. the check after the check raise stinks of weakness and this is the point you could have got more into the pot. got to ask why doea jh scare him to check?

WINKY911

2 Biggest losing hands of the session. Any probs with the pocket 4hand? think my bet sizing was ok. Hand with pocket 8 just couldnt but any 9's in his range but looking back another silly mstake!!

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
acemachine	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£3.32
DUCATI583	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.73
	Your hole cards	8 8
TheWicked1	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£0.80
WINKY911	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.01
suepoo	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£4.17
XXXX	Raise		£0.08	£0.26	£4.78
acemachine	Fold
DUCATI583	Fold
TheWicked1	Call		£0.04	£0.30	£0.76
WINKY911	Call		£0.04	£0.34	£3.97
suepoo	Call		£0.04	£0.38	£4.13
Flop
		2 9 9
TheWicked1	Check
WINKY911	Bet		£0.29	£0.67	£3.68
suepoo	Fold
XXXX	Call		£0.29	£0.96	£4.49
TheWicked1	Fold
Turn
		3
WINKY911	Bet		£0.48	£1.44	£3.20
XXXX	Raise		£0.96	£2.40	£3.53
WINKY911	All-in		£3.20	£5.60	£0.00
XXXX	All-in		£3.53	£9.13	£0.00
XXXX	Unmatched bet		£0.81	£8.32	£0.81
WINKY911	Show	8 8
XXXX	Show	9 K
River
		J
XXXX	Win	Three 9s	£7.69		£8.50

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Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
WINKY911	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.90
	Your hole cards	4 4
planet432	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£2.41
cgoldie	Fold
therising8	Fold
maruff	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£2.05
WINKY911	Check
Flop
		4 10 3
WINKY911	Bet		£0.35	£0.47	£4.55
planet432	Call		£0.35	£0.82	£2.06
maruff	Fold
Turn
		6
WINKY911	Bet		£0.82	£1.64	£3.73
planet432	Call		£0.82	£2.46	£1.24
River
		Q
WINKY911	Bet		£2.46	£4.92	£1.27
planet432	All-in		£1.24	£6.16	£0.00
WINKY911	Unmatched bet		£1.22	£4.94	£2.49
WINKY911	Show	4 4
planet432	Show	9 J
planet432	Win	Flush to the Queen	£4.56		£4.56

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WINKY911

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
WINKY911	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£4.90
	Your hole cards	4 4
XXXX	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£2.41
cgoldie	Fold
therising8	Fold
maruff	Call		£0.04	£0.12	£2.05
WINKY911	Check
Flop
		4 10 3
WINKY911	Bet		£0.35	£0.47	£4.55
XXXX	Call		£0.35	£0.82	£2.06
maruff	Fold
Turn
		6
WINKY911	Bet		£0.82	£1.64	£3.73
XXXX	Call		£0.82	£2.46	£1.24
River
		Q
WINKY911	Bet		£2.46	£4.92	£1.27
XXXX	All-in		£1.24	£6.16	£0.00
WINKY911	Unmatched bet		£1.22	£4.94	£2.49
WINKY911	Show	4 4
XXXX	Show	9 J
XXXX	Win	Flush to the Queen	£4.56		£4.56

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devonfish5

hi winky,
on 44 hand,
you could have raised up to 20p,ish,pre-flop.
1/2 pot bet on turn is fine,
could be 3/4 maybe.
worst card poss on river,spade.
what can u do...
think money was always going in,
just unlucky.
#
88 hand,
again,could raise up pre-flop..20p,ish
take control,
once u bet 48p on turn and get re-raised 48p,
got to think he has trip 9,s or poss got 88 beat.
deffo check river,
and see how much xxxx bets.

easy after the hand though...
as you say ,silly mistake.
thing is to take all the time bar to decide your move,
if you still think it is an all-in ,go 4 it.

keep going buddy...
early days

devon

Dudeskin8

88 - preflop fine, c/c on flop, donkbetting makes it tough if he raises and even if he flats the turn could bring an overcard and you are lost, as played fold to turn minraise, it's super strong I doubt you have any fold equity at all.

44 - fine.

Spikelad

Hi Winky welcome to the wonderful world of nl4.I have been playing at this level for over a Month now and from what you have posted i think you will be fine.

I can only reiterate what the guys are saying bet for value when you have a hand and exploit  the mistakes your opponents make.

I really enjoy playing at nl4 and hope you do as well mate.

WINKY911

DAY 2- UPDATE
Felt i played really poorly yesterday so pleased to only have a small loss at the end. Im wanting to keep a proper record of my results and was wondering if anyone new any links to ideas for spreadsheets or new of any decent ways of recording results themselves. Thanks to all that have contributed thus far.

Regards
Wayne

STARTING BR £150
CURRENT BR 154.36

Glenelg

In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!!:

Thanks to all that have contributed thus far.
Regards Wayne STARTING BR £150 CURRENT BR 154.36
Posted by WINKY911

Do you mean to the thread or your BR? ;-)

WINKY911

DAY 3
Played alot better today learning quickly that patience is key at this level. Still one or two silly errors that cost me but overall much happier. One thing I need to develop though is extracting max value from my strong hands as on several occasions I missed out big style! Will post an example below, when the jack falls on the turn im thinking he could have the straight so check instead of betting again, this is happening alot when 3 to a flush or straight are on the board im convinced they have got there and so scared to fire another bullet, Any help on this would be much appreciated!!

STARTING BR £150
CURRENT BR £159.44
TODAYS PROFIT £5.08

WINKY911

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
LA367	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.16
xxxx	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£5.36
	Your hole cards	6 6
dolphi	Fold
WINKY911	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£5.34
_AAAKK_	Fold
walesboy	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£4.27
LA367	Call		£0.02	£0.16	£4.14
xxxx	Check
Flop
		A 9 6
LA367	Check
xxxx	Check
WINKY911	Bet		£0.12	£0.28	£5.22
walesboy	Fold
LA367	Fold
xxxx	Call		£0.12	£0.40	£5.24
Turn
		10
xxxx	Check
WINKY911	Bet		£0.40	£0.80	£4.82
xxxx	Call		£0.40	£1.20	£4.84
River
		J
xxxx	Check
WINKY911	Check
xxxx	Show	J A
WINKY911	Show	6 6
WINKY911	Win	Three 6s	£1.11		£5.93

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Dudeskin8

66 - I might actually overbet on flop so about 25p as your hand is so disguised and ANY ace will NOT fold, as played turn is great, river especially when checked to is a 100% bet, checking is burning money at NL4, you hit sets very rarely so not getting MAXIMUM reward is criminal.

WINKY911

DAYS 4-5

Making slow but steady progress which im pleased with. Still running quite well which is a big help!! I no im going to get some run bad at some point but am prepared for that. Question for the day, Im about to begin my session and am wondering is the standard generally better on a weekday day as opposed to a weekday night or weekend?? or is there till enough value out there to make it worth while??

STARTING BR £150
CURRENT BR £ 173.36

WHOAMI196

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DAYS 4-5 Making slow but steady progress which im pleased with. Still running quite well which is a big help!! I no im going to get some run bad at some point but am prepared for that. Question for the day, Im about to begin my session and am wondering is the standard generally better on a weekday day as opposed to a weekday night or weekend?? or is there till enough value out there to make it worth while?? STARTING BR £150 CURRENT BR £ 173.36
Posted by WINKY911

I have to be cruel to be kind here (based on the one hand i have seen, the 66 hand). When you make these big hands you need to get max value, otherwise youl never make any profit. Think about this, when you bet the flop, hands he may call with are, 7-8, 9-10, A-x etc . . . When the turn peels a 10, so you are now only behind to 7-8, im glad you bet here as you cant automatically put him on 7-8, so you bet for value i hope! 

The river was played awfully tbh, why check? what are we afraid of, 7-8 unlikely(as he would lead river most of the time) Does he have kq, q-9, most definitely not! There is 0 reason to check that river(nothing to fear). So sick that the pot is so small and begs the question . . . How do i get all his money?? V difficult to answere, I am allways an advocate of "never open limp", opening the pot would have granted you to his whole stack.

I have a challenge at the moment with my brother, turning 100 into a 1000 within a reasonable time, and im nearly there!! so if i complete the challenge, i will post it here on the forum, Im not trying to sound like a cocky now-it-all but im sure it will help you, and others in your criteria.

Edit: i dont play on sky, but if the players are better in the morning(i doubt it though) just play tight, play possition, and tag the good v the bad players, but i suspect the weekends is where the ££££ is at.

Gl to you m8

WINKY911

In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!!:

In Response to Re: Diary of the new kids challenge!! : I have to be cruel to be kind here (based on the one hand i have seen, the 66 hand). When you make these big hands you need to get max value, otherwise youl never make any profit. Think about this, when you bet the flop, hands he may call with are, 7-8, 9-10, A-x etc . . . When the turn peels a 10, so you are now only behind to 7-8, im glad you bet here as you cant automatically put him on 7-8, so you bet for value i hope!  The river was played awfully tbh, why check? what are we afraid of, 7-8 unlikely(as he would lead river most of the time) Does he have kq, q-9, most definitely not! There is 0 reason to check that river(nothing to fear). So sick that the pot is so small and begs the question . . . How do i get all his money?? V difficult to answere, I am allways an advocate of "never open limp", opening the pot would have granted you to his whole stack. I have a challenge at the moment with my brother, turning 100 into a 1000 within a reasonable time, and im nearly there!! so if i complete the challenge, i will post it here on the forum, Im not trying to sound like a cocky now-it-all but im sure it will help you, and others in your criteria. Edit: i dont play on sky, but if the players are better in the morning(i doubt it though) just play tight, play possition, and tag the good v the bad players, but i suspect the weekends is where the ££££ is at. Gl to you m8
Posted by WHOAMI196

Excellent response mate thankyou, I need this constructive criticism if im ever going to improve. I have looked back at the 66 hand and agree i played it badly. This is one area of my game that needs improvement (how to extract max value for big hands) Good luck with your challenge look forward to seeing it on the forum.

Regards

WINKY911

Only big losing hand of the session. Dont think I did anything wrong here?? possibly shove the  lot in on the flop??

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Elvic	Big blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.90
	Your hole cards	K A
tebster7	Call		£0.04	£0.08	£3.98
acemachine	Fold
WINKY911	Raise		£0.20	£0.28	£4.29
Elvic	Fold
tebster7	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£3.82
Flop
		Q 2 4
tebster7	Check
WINKY911	Bet		£0.33	£0.77	£3.96
tebster7	Raise		£1.28	£2.05	£2.54
WINKY911	Call		£0.95	£3.00	£3.01
Turn
		K
tebster7	All-in		£2.54	£5.54	£0.00
WINKY911	Call		£2.54	£8.08	£0.47
tebster7	Show	9 8
WINKY911	Show	K A
River
		K
tebster7	Win	Flush to the Queen	£7.47		£7.47

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WINKY911

DAYS 6-7
As before still moving in the right direction slowly but surley!! Still looking for some advice on a spreadsheet, Graph or someway of tracking my sessions?? Plus What profit should we be looking to make per hour? Or are we happy with any kind of profit.  Thought would be welcome.

Wayne


STARTING BR £150
CURRENT BR £190.65 (INCLUDING £10 C4P)

devonfish5

hi wayne,
as i am grinding @ nl4 myself
i,m no expert,but myself i,m happy
if i can finish the session with any profit,
as i know only too well how easy it is
to end up losing sometimes,
even when you feel you,ve played ok.
i,m sure others will have diferent views
as to what you should/could be making.
as tiger woods says,
"a w,s a w."
(a win,s a win.)....lol

best wishes...
devon