am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,

The_Don90 · February 2012

OK i play over 3 sites, and live aswell. However im really on the verge of giving up on poker. Tbh i dont know wht to do anymore. I keep getting it in miles ahead and outdrawn on a consistant basis. Now before anyone says variance its short term. This is over around 500K in hands. Ok i believe im an improving player and one always open to learning and on sky i can understand a little because i do post alot of hands and people maybe do get free reads, although ive developing away from posting now to.

However my main issue is, bad beats consistantly.

Is it time to just throw in the towel ?

cleaverjim · February 2012

You say this every month m8,Sadly bad beats are awful we all h8 them ,but if you go in ahead your playing well.

GREGHOGG · February 2012

In Response to am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

OK i play over 3 sites, and live aswell. However im really on the verge of giving up on poker. Tbh i dont know wht to do anymore. I keep getting it in miles ahead and outdrawn on a consistant basis. Now before anyone says variance its short term. This is over around 500K in hands. Ok i believe im an improving player and one always open to learning and on sky i can understand a little because i do post alot of hands and people maybe do get free reads, although ive developing away from posting now to. However my main issue is, bad beats consistantly. Is it time to just throw in the towel ?
Posted by The_Don90

No, but ye but, no, but ye but

Blimey Donald! Get a grip please.

Not time to throw in the towel, just play better, and handle your emotions better

Darntootin · February 2012

It could be worse, you could be a Rangers fan...oh wait...

penguin7 · February 2012

Know how you feel.

I just got it all in AK v AQ, board was J828J and I was so happy not to lose !

The_Don90 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

Know how you feel. I just got it all in AK v AQ, board was J828J and I was so happy not to lose !
Posted by penguin7

these situations feel like a win to me now.

cleaverjim · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever, : these situations feel like a win to me now.
Posted by The_Don90

IMO i suppose its not good getting beat and celtic winning the lge so yes throw that towel bud.

ajmilton · February 2012

YO! DOHHHHHHH.. Talk some sence to the _don will you, and tell him you can't win every hand even if you are ahead pre.. I should know ...IT'S POKER.

devonfish5 · February 2012

think we,ve all been there with bad beats mate.
they are simply all part of the game.
in my case i just played a few low stake dym,s
to get away from it all 4 a while.
started to win at them
which eventually saw me returning to cash again,
and winning there too.
poker is meant to be fun,
and clearly 4 you atm,it isn,t.
i,m not saying u should do the same,
but it might help 2 try something diferent.
best wishes
devon

Lambert180 · February 2012

Well I dunno how you're doing on other sites or live, but I've just scoped you for Sky on SnGs and MTTs and you're in profit for both. Granted you're not making millions but you're in profit over about 2000 games, it's a bad patch you might be having now but as you can see on SS you are winning in the long run.

rancid · February 2012

Don - are we going over this again

we give and take bad beats, part of the game however annoying they may be especially when they happen at a critical stage of an MTT or a big cash pot

If you get your chips in ahead the majority then you will suffer more bad beats than someone that doesn't get their chips in good as much as you

simples, you should feel good if your going in ahead the majority

chin up

Lambert180 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

Don - are we going over this again we give and take bad beats, part of the game however annoying they may be especially when they happen at a critical stage of an MTT or a big cash pot If you get your chips in ahead the majority then you will suffer more bad beats than someone that doesn't get their chips in good as much as you simples, you should feel good if your going in ahead the majority chin up
Posted by rancid

Exactly. People who consistently get their money in behind don't suffer bad beats, they just play badly, what would you rather be?

DOHHHHHHH · February 2012

tbf over the last year in periods Don has suffered some negative varience that would severely worsen even the best players win rate......

But it's not been as bad as he thinks it's been.

The problem has been the times when he has ran bad....

Deep in mtts which would have huge positive bankroll implications, or on the bubble of sattys into big mtt's.

Prob is they hurt more coz the money he stands to win can literally be life changing for him, n that's where he struggles to cope. (remember the milk comment)

But if you insist on playing mtt's, then it's not gonna change anytime soon.

It's not like you've been on a huge dry run, in the last year you have won, & final tabled mtt's with 4,000+ runners. N it's not like you play 10/20+ mtt's a session like most dedicated MTT players, you're volume has been very poor.

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By the way all the above explains how I can kind of understand why you feel you're "the unluckiest player ever" in MTT's....

There's no excuse however for your failure to win @ cash games.

Only 1 thing to blame for that, n that's yourself for being a nutcase, the varience excuse aint bailling u out of that 1!

huuuuume · February 2012

last i knew you were playing NL4 and if you've done 500k hands at that level and have not won then i dont think you should continue unless you improve your game. i dont mean this at all in a negative way but there is no way luck is a factor at NL4....any good player will win there imo

it sounds like you are winning on stts and mtts and you are prob best just to stick there. perhaps avoid big fields and large variance tourneys if they are causing you to tilt etc.

i think you need to be more honest about things. at the moment youre a losing player and if you keep blaming it on variance and luck you will remain that way. also, from the responses in this thread the situation you are in now is a regular situation and if things are getting like this then stop playing.

prob not the response you wanted but from an outsider looking in it looks like a vicious cycle that youre prob best getting away from

just my 2 cents and good luck with whatever you go for

pod1 · February 2012

hi mate, do i think your unlucky mmmm yes TO A POINT. i think you get bad beats at the wrong time (like most of us). but and its a massive but, your reaction to them worsens the problem. a 2/3 buy in loss turns into a 4/5 because of the "reaction". in the last 6 mnths i have had 2 x20 + b in down swings and it hurts i know . but i dont tilt, never have never will. i have a friend who i go over bad sessions with maybe you need to get someone like that who gives you good advice :-)!!

we all get adversity in our life, your reaction to it determines how quickly you recover bud. phil

Tikay10 · February 2012

Don - if you think you are unlucky all the time, then yes, you probably need some help with your game - more psychological than actual hand advice.

When we think we are "always unlucky", be it in poker, or life, we are, usually, deluding ourselves.

WHOAMI196 · February 2012

It's better to be bad at poker, at least then--you can look to improve, not a lot you can do about you'r luck, then again its easier to blame bad-luck; than you'r own ability.

BARBIE59 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

Know how you feel. I just got it all in AK v AQ, board was J828J and I was so happy not to lose !
Posted by penguin7

I Got it in with same hands wish it was the same flop as yours my flop ran ou Q Q Q lol called it a night after that.

The_Don90 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

It's better to be bad at poker, at least then--you can look to improve, not a lot you can do about you'r luck, then again its easier to blame bad-luck; than you'r own ability.
Posted by WHOAMI196

tbh i agree

i always blame myself for things that go wrong. Even when im winning im anaysing hands. If i got lucky im probably one of the first to say i got lucky. and often an ul will be typed in the chatbox before ive got the chips in hand. I had a massive arguement with dohhhhhhhhh about how i felt i wasnt good enough. As a result of this i started looking at exits or reasons leading to an exits. Was it mistakes, tilt or bad beats, or often the case standard flips. I also took time to look at cash hands to as these are defo important.

One or two hands stick out to me inparticular. infact one major live hand for a 500BB (normal stakes, triple straddle was in play) pot stands out as a massive one ive considered 5 or 6 times. It was a standard bad beat the guy offered to run the hand 9 times on the river, i looked twice before saying anything. And convinced he had only one out (cards where face up on turn) i asked how many outs he had to confirm. He said 4 of hearts and that was it. I then refused to run it more than once for the river to land the 4 of hearts. I consider more should i have accepted those re-runs. Everything in my head said it was right but i suspect looking back surley its profitable.

Online hands stick out to. The above was clearly a bad beat. some where mistakes that i look to fix, one thing a number of experianced players say to me is i spend to much time trying to improve not enough time playing. So its not as if im not trying to improve. Others are bad beats, and a decent volume in flips.

YOUNG_GUN · February 2012

Are we really doing this again....

come on donaldo its all in the head mate, i reckon you should just smash nl4 and get on the cash. NL4 isnt unbeatable even i had to play it other month and jus adjust it any winning player would easily beat it if not then give up imo

GL

LOL_RAISE · February 2012

if he wants to run it 9 times and has one out you are guranteed to win 8 times. running it more than once doesnt affect the EV it just reduces variance

GaryQQQ · February 2012

Get yourself 'The Mental Game of Poker' book Don. Your thread title alone shows that you are exactly the sort of person it's written for. I was given the book for Christmas, it really is as good as the reviews say.

Tikay10 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

if he wants to run it 9 times and has one out you are guranteed to win 8 times. running it more than once doesnt affect the EV it just reduces variance
Posted by LOL_RAISE

In a nutshell, though he is not "guaranteed" to win it 8 times. He's likely to win it 9 times though. Bargain of a lifetime that!

To be serious, there's the thing - Don thinks he is unlucky a lot, but he needs to forget luck, make the correct decisions enough times, & he'll come out ahead.

DOHHHHHHH · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

Get yourself 'The Mental Game of Poker' book Don. Your thread title alone shows that you are exactly the sort of person it's written for. I was given the book for Christmas, it really is as good as the reviews say.
Posted by GaryQQQ

He's got it, but apparently it "doesn't apply to him" :P

FCHD · February 2012

Perhaps "guaranteed to win it at least eight times" would be better?

innit · February 2012

do you moan about good beats as well had aa flop comes a q 7 how do i get his chips he goes all in qq i call gets quods on river afew days later was runnig like a poker god in a bounty hunt

my final hand is 78 im way ahead go all in hes got 67 cards on table 2 3 4 9 10 JUST CARRY ON IF YOU ENJOY THE GAME 10 high wins some times

WHOAMI196 · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

Get yourself 'The Mental Game of Poker' book Don. Your thread title alone shows that you are exactly the sort of person it's written for. I was given the book for Christmas, it really is as good as the reviews say.
Posted by GaryQQQ

+1

All i will say is don "inchworm" read the book and you will understand.

EDIT: seen dohhhhhhh's comment, i don't know what to say then

rancid · February 2012

I know lots of good players that just can not adjust there mind set to the game, with the swings and varaince.
They even go as far as saying all online games are fixed - lolz
Don has the game, but sadly not the discipline, patience or mind set to beat NL4
Probably still got it in his mind that he should be playing NL50!

Handle the variance and beat the game

btw: run it nine times )

grantorino · February 2012

In Response to am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

OK i play over 3 sites, and live aswell. However im really on the verge of giving up on poker. Tbh i dont know wht to do anymore. I keep getting it in miles ahead and outdrawn on a consistant basis. Now before anyone says variance its short term. This is over around 500K in hands. Ok i believe im an improving player and one always open to learning and on sky i can understand a little because i do post alot of hands and people maybe do get free reads, although ive developing away from posting now to. However my main issue is, bad beats consistantly. Is it time to just throw in the towel ?
Posted by The_Don90

Have you proper records to see how bad you are actually running over 500K hands?

Are you a losing player? breakeven? just not winning as much as you would like?

How much money are you losing through tilting v actual bad beats?

You seem to play 4NL here, yet you talk about losing a 500BB pot live - are you rolled properly?

The answer is prob somewhere inbetween the 2 options in thread title. You are prob unlucky at moment, and you probably have leaks. Tilt and bankroll management may well be a problem

My advice would be deposit £100 and play 4NL. Have another £50 ready to deposit if you dip below £80. Go back to basics play straightforward TAG poker and stay at this till you beat it. Keep proper records and review your sessions. No shots, no big money live games etc till you get your confidence back and are playing really good basic poker. You can concentrate on a different game, but cash games will develop your all round poker skills the most imo.

You are definitely good enough to beat lower cash levels here. The question is have you the discipline and mentality to do it

huuuuume · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

tbf over the last year in periods Don has suffered some negative varience that would severely worsen even the best players win rate...... But it's not been as bad as he thinks it's been. The problem has been the times when he has ran bad.... Deep in mtts which would have huge positive bankroll implications, or on the bubble of sattys into big mtt's. Prob is they hurt more coz the money he stands to win can literally be life changing for him, n that's where he struggles to cope. (remember the milk comment) But if you insist on playing mtt's, then it's not gonna change anytime soon. It's not like you've been on a huge dry run, in the last year you have won, & final tabled mtt's with 4,000+ runners. N it's not like you play 10/20+ mtt's a session like most dedicated MTT players, you're volume has been very poor. -------------------------- By the way all the above explains how I can kind of understand why you feel you're "the unluckiest player ever" in MTT's.... There's no excuse however for your failure to win @ cash games. Only 1 thing to blame for that, n that's yourself for being a nutcase, the varience excuse aint bailling u out of that 1!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

if the bold bit is anywhere near true there is an awful lot more to worry about than just being unlucky especially if it relates to sky mtts.

seriously dont play poker if this is true in anyway

rancid · February 2012

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,:

In Response to Re: am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever, : if the bold bit is anywhere near true there is an awful lot more to worry about than just being unlucky especially if it relates to sky mtts. seriously dont play poker if this is true in anyway
Posted by huuuuume

Always thought the money you can possibly win should be relative to your BR

If you decide to buy in to £500 MTT with your wekly wage and you get a bad beat, now that's going to make you cry
If you had a 50,000 BR then it wouldn't bother you so much
Likewise if you sat in for £10 - you wouldn't give a hoot about the bad beat

does this relate :S

am i really this bad or am i just the unluckiest player ever,

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