PLO

Tikay10

He did another thing too - this only works for Omaha newbies - but it's not bad for beginners to get the idea.

Starting Hand Criteria in Omaha is crucial. Many players struggle to pass a hand in Texas, so faced with 4 Cards, they'll never Pass a hand. And soon go busto.

The real criteria is "cards that work well together, & no danglers".

Simon's trick, not perfect by any means, but very very useful, was to tell players to break their 4 cards into two-card Hold-em Hands. Four cards = 6 two card Texas hands (A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, B-D, C-D), & THEN he said "you MUST have a MINIMUM of FOUR Hold-em Hands to enter a Pot".

What is a Hold-Em hand? Any Pair, any straighting cards, suited Aces, etc. Now, it's hard to find four of them very often, & maybe thats a bit too tight, but for learners, it's ideal.

For example.

9s, 10h, Js, Jh. (Call them A-B-C-D if it's easier). How many "reasonable" Texas starting hands do we have there?

chrisbhoy

i love omaha though u get the craziest out draws possible lol. things happn on turn an river u just neve thought could happen but it is great fun!!

Tikay10

By the way, a "dangler" is a card that does not fit with the rest of your hand.

So, with single-suited A-A-K-7, the 7 is the dangler, as it does not fit the hand.

MAXALLY

In Response to Re: PLO:

In Response to Re: PLO : We might just try & organise that, Simon Trumper is not only a very accomplished Omaha player - the database does not lie - but the BEST Omaha teacher I have ever met. Ding refers to an impromptu Omaha Beginners Course Simon Trumper did one night at DTD.   Simon dealt out 6 out hands to 6 players - face-up - & then asked everyone what chances each hand had of winning. EVERY player got it wrong, & Simon predicted it correctly. He then dealt the flop, rinse repeat, turn, ditto, & River. Never have so many players grasped the concept of Omaha so quickly. He also explained WHY everyone was getting it wrong, & the whys & whats of each hand. Brilliant!
Posted by Tikay10

WOW....I have never played it but  I could possibly be interested if it got off the ground and there were good tutorials to back it up. They want to give this guy Simon a nickname.....i dont know......something like .....'aces'......  : )

Tikay10

In Response to Re: PLO:

In Response to Re: PLO : WOW....I have never played it but  I could possibly be interested if it got off the ground and there were good tutorials to back it up. They want to give this guy Simon a nickname.....i dont know......something like .....'aces'......  : )
Posted by MAXALLY

There WILL be tutorials, in the Poker Starategy Board, & in 865, I'm quite sure.

I'm no expert - far from it - but I do OK at it, especially Tourneys.  So I'd be happy to arrange a set of evening "meet-ups" at different locations (Casinos) around the Country if there was any interest or demand.

Grimstar30

In Response to Re: PLO:

He did another thing too - this only works for Omaha newbies - but it's not bad for beginners to get the idea. Starting Hand Criteria in Omaha is crucial. Many players struggle to pass a hand in Texas, so faced with 4 Cards, they'll never Pass a hand. And soon go busto. The real criteria is "cards that work well together, & no danglers". Simon's trick, not perfect by any means, but very very useful, was to tell players to break their 4 cards into two-card Hold-em Hands. Four cards = 6 two card Texas hands (A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, B-D, C-D), & THEN he said "you MUST have a MINIMUM of FOUR Hold-em Hands to enter a Pot". What is a Hold-Em hand? Any Pair, any straighting cards, suited Aces, etc. Now, it's hard to find four of them very often, & maybe thats a bit too tight, but for learners, it's ideal. For example. 9s, 10h, Js, Jh. (Call them A-B-C-D if it's easier). How many "reasonable" Texas starting hands do we have there?
Posted by Tikay10

JJ +1

Jh10h +1

9s Js + 1 (just?)

10h Js +.5

9s 10h + .5

I would say defo 3 starting hands in NLH. Maybe 4 at a push.  So you could say not to play this hand?

Tikay10

In Response to Re: PLO:

In Response to Re: PLO : JJ +1 Jh10h +1 9s Js + 1 (just?) 10h Js +.5 9s 10h + .5 I would say defo 3 starting hands in NLH. Maybe 4 at a push.  So you could say not to play this hand?
Posted by Grimstar30

No, I think it's quite playable, if it's cheap enough to get to the Flop. Not perfect, far from it, but there is no such thing really. A-A-A-A would be just horrible, for example (muck it quickly!) so we need to think wider.

I'd prefer it it were 8-9-T-J DS, but it's OK.

I have a weakness for hands with 10's in them, as the 10 is (or are, if you have two of them, even better) a great blocker card, needed to fill ANY high straight. Straights & flushes are MUCH more prevelant in Omaha than in Texas. In 4 Card Omaha, one pair is almost the equivelant of "A high" in Texas.

Tikay10

By the way, it will be POT LIMIT Omaha.

scrumdown

i  for  one  will  be  playing   omaha  great  game

skicowboys

I agree with Chhas, Hi -Lo is taxing, but i guess that will be further down the road than PLO and an even more limited market.
I can't wait to see how the site reacts to PLO and re-buy tournies in general when they arrive.
All the people that play ace rag on here will have fun, but go broke that much quicker or drive us completely insane as they reload for the 10th time!

Grimstar30

Sounds good to me, going to get reading some literature soon so I am not completely out of my depth when we have it here.

Dingdell

In Response to Re: PLO:

By the way, it will be POT LIMIT Omaha.
Posted by Tikay10

And with pot limit Omaha you can loose your stack very easily. It's very easy to get sucked in with a great hand and get outdrawn big time on the next card. So ideally you play with nuts or second nuts only after the flop. If you have either of those bet the pot to keep drawing hands away - drawing hands will stay in if they get the odds to and can easily catch a card that helps them and not you.

If in holdem a player bets all in on the flop you may think about it and often fold. If in omaha the bet is only the pot you may feel it's ok to call to see the next card but imo you should think (especially in lowish starting chip games) that any pot bet means you almost committed to the pot with your whole stack, and it's very tempting because with 4 cards in your hand you can see draws all over the place that may lead to the nuts - but often lead to an early exit. It can be a very fishy game but imo you can't afford to fish too often, play fast and furious with the stone cold nuts.

unknown_username

i like to play Omaha and think it would be a great feature for the site

tina1970

love to see some plo on sky even some stud or razz would be good i think introducing antes into the longer structure tourneys would be good as well