Big fold - thoughts?

jh16

Hey guys just want people's thoughts on this hand.
Cant remember the last time ive folded a set on this sort of board
Really couldn't put him on any other hand other than 6's. wouldnt mind knowing what you had wacko90?!?

Hand History #498848421 (22:35 29/03/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Wacko90	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£25.81
punxxs_13	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£20.00
	Your hole cards	2 2
mitieng2	Fold
JAMMY014	Fold
steve1602	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£64.13
jh16	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£24.39
Wacko90	Call		£0.50	£2.00	£25.31
punxxs_13	Fold
Flop
		2 6 K
Wacko90	Check
steve1602	Bet		£1.00	£3.00	£63.13
jh16	Raise		£3.00	£6.00	£21.39
Wacko90	Call		£3.00	£9.00	£22.31
steve1602	Fold
Turn
		8
Wacko90	Check
jh16	Bet		£5.40	£14.40	£15.99
Wacko90	All-in		£22.31	£36.71	£0.00
jh16	Fold
Wacko90	Muck
Wacko90	Win		£18.81		£18.81
Wacko90	Return		£16.91	£0.99	£35.72

IDONKCALLU

im never folding a set on this flop and turn never ever ever maybe a leak in my game but if opponent has a bigger set then so be it he cant have kings because he just flat called preflop meybe 66 thats it can never fold here tho 

jh16

ye agree with every word you said, sorta regret it but what else can he be doing it with? really couldnt think of a thing.
not gonna be flush draw now on the turn, very very rarely to be a lone king, so theres nothing else really. meh im not sure lol

Dudeskin8

It looks bad at first but I can see why you did as there's a bet and a raise on flop and he just flats which is massive strength.

Pre calling from SB feels like small-medium pair, K6/K2/62 aren't in there and KK I'd think he 3bets.

Still not sure I could make the fold but fair play for thinking enough about it to do it. 

EDIT : Also FD he doesn't have odds to call especially OOP and I'd think he'd C/R with that.

IDONKCALLU

wanna see what he had he could have 66 yeah but more likely to be k 6 maybe or even 79 of hearts a massive draw on turn 

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Big fold - thoughts?:

wanna see what he had he could have 66 yeah but more likely to be k 6 maybe or even 79 of hearts a massive draw on turn 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Never has K6 imo unless he's turned into a massive fish.

jh16

ye had eliminated 2 pair tbh if he had K8 then fairenough but thought it was pretty unlikely, and he would prob fold on the flop tbh.
prob about the only spot that i'd fold a set.

BigHawk89

Never fold here, your only behind to one hand really and thats 66 if hes got it, hes got it. IMO its most like a flush draw.

EvilPingu

I can never fold a set there. 

Having said that, I don't think this is the worst fold ever depending on the villain, c/c flop c/r turn is generally massive strength, and what can he have on the turn that he's happy getting it in with here that doesn't 3-bet pre-flop? 

I don't know Wacko's game as well as I should, but I think a lot of opponents will turn up with Ax of hearts here, or maybe a massive draw like 97hh or 75hh. I agree this could be a set of 6's from the way the opponent has played it, but I can still never fold a set. I just call and hope to see two hearts in my opponent's hand, and I think we end up against a flush draw often enough for calling here to be profitable.

DOHHHHHHH

Wud struggle to fold this against the tightest of regs, nevermind against Wacko.

tbh I couldn't give a shiny sh ite what he's got, there's no point even thinking about it because he's not making me fold a set on this board 120xbb deep.

No point overthinking it just stack off. 

Glenelg

Don't play cash BUT with that bet surely he's gotta have 88?

jh16

thanks for thoughts ppl. really torn still. would love to know what he had

he wont ever have 88 here, wouldve just been folded on the flop. but if he had 6's he might not be shoving just making it 13 ish, but dont know him well enough to think that really.

ye its a bit of a hero fold but really not convinced hes calling on the flop then doing that with 95% of flush draws on the turn. :S

hmmmm this is eating me up haha, someone fancy getting him to fess up? lol

BorinLoner

I wouldn't be too surprised if he showed up with KQ or KJ here. It's so easy for him to put you on a weaker King or a flush draw. It's all about how he perceives your play and I think your line fits a strong flush-draw or a King.

That's not to say he doesn't have a set but if he does I think it's 50/50 that he shoves the turn; If you're bluffing obviously you fold to the shove. If you have a King you might call now but might not if a heart hits the river. If you have the flush draw you might call now but might not bluff off your stack if a heart doesn't hit the river. Obviously you're not getting the right odds to hit your flush-draw if he shoves, so I suppose it depends on your table image.

BorinLoner

Basically I don't think you should ever fold a set here. If he has you beat it's a cooler but we won't make money by folding out of fear of being coolered.

thebil123

Might have 66 or up n down straight n flush draw, ive seen a similar situation where wacko gets it allin on a total bluff, BUT for me id call all day long. (this a message to all bluff happys lol)

Long term its not good to fold.

NColley

what on earth are you doing

would really love it if wacko came into this thread and showed that he had 86hh

TommyD

In game - never folding

Reading the HH, so tough because it's Wacko.  The only two pair combo I can think of where he'll do this is 86HH, maybe K8 is there but I think it's unlikely.  He can turn a hand into a bluff quite easily.  Might be a good fold but I don't think it's one you should make often at all.

Wacko90

How do you fold this against me I'm a fish!! Tbh mate I can't remember what I had, I'm on iPad so can't post it up but il post it tomorrow and let you know

jh16

cheers for posts.

new it was bit of a hero fold, obv didnt know how aggresive he was, but just went with my gut! oh well

ye wouldnt mind knowing tho wacko

simonnatur

I think you'll be wrong more often than you're right to fold here.

Definitely a bigger mistake to post the hand

1267

5 7 of hearts !   

AMYBR

Folding fearing oversets is just bad poker for all the obv reasons

grantorino

unless you have a read he never bluffs call. If he perceives you as tight though he will show 66 a lot here

rancid

folding sets is just -EV )

Wacko90

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Wacko90	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£25.81
punxxs_13	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£20.00
	Your hole cards	6 6
mitieng2	Fold
JAMMY014	Fold
steve1602	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£64.13
jh16	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£24.39
Wacko90	Call		£0.50	£2.00	£25.31
punxxs_13	Fold
Flop
		2 6 K
Wacko90	Check
steve1602	Bet		£1.00	£3.00	£63.13
jh16	Raise		£3.00	£6.00	£21.39
Wacko90	Call		£3.00	£9.00	£22.31
steve1602	Fold
Turn
		8
Wacko90	Check
jh16	Bet		£5.40	£14.40	£15.99
Wacko90	All-in		£22.31	£36.71	£0.00
jh16	Fold
Wacko90	Muck
Wacko90	Win		£18.81		£18.81
Wacko90	Return		£16.91	£0.99	£35.72

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Big fold - thoughts?:

unless you have a read he never bluffs call. If he perceives you as tight though he will show 66 a lot here
Posted by grantorino

GT spot on as usual

cracking fold by OP imo

IDONKCALLU

still a bad fold cant fold a set here 

BorinLoner

Oh, Wacko... Missed value there, lad.

AMYBR

ROFTW

Still ought not to be a fold.

BigHawk89

HERO fold.

Wacko90

Know what your saying borin, however i was worried he was on fd, hed played it very strong on flop and turn i honestly didnt think he was folding there.

I would rather shove turn and take it down there than flat and see a awful river and have a tough decision on turn. As played i shouldnt of lost value he should of called! :P