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| Hey guys hand from my master cash table last night i bad aces in the bb and reraised to £12 evilbingo then reraises me i clicked it back he folded. To you think there is a case for smooth calling his 4 bet as when i click it back to him it looks so strong? Randy76 | Sit out | ||||
| Wayne_B73 | Small blind | £0.50 | £0.50 | £202.65 | |
| bearlyther | Big blind | £1.00 | £1.50 | £100.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| POKEY2011 | Fold | ||||
| ST220 | Call | £1.00 | £2.50 | £46.85 | |
| EvilPingu | Raise | £4.00 | £6.50 | £194.50 | |
| Wayne_B73 | Fold | ||||
| bearlyther | Raise | £11.00 | £17.50 | £89.00 | |
| ST220 | Fold | ||||
| EvilPingu | Raise | £24.00 | £41.50 | £170.50 | |
| bearlyther | Raise | £32.00 | £73.50 | £57.00 | |
| EvilPingu | Fold | ||||
| bearlyther | Muck | ||||
| bearlyther | Win | £57.50 | £114.50 | ||
| bearlyther | Return | £16.00 | £0.00 | £130.50 |
Comments
By the way, EvilPingu is a very good player and a big contributor to the forum. Maybe you should reconsider calling him EvilBingo. He's alot better than that.
Also, I hate the size of the 5-bet. If you were 5-betting without the goods you would never make it a min-raise, so this raise size really narrows your range down to probably only AA, KK or QQ.
Also, I hate the size of the 5-bet. If you were 5-betting without the goods you would never make it a min-raise, so this raise size really narrows your range down to probably only AA.''
FYP
to O.P...
How are you playing 100NL?? - this is basics!!!
Might have shoved if I knew the flop was going to be 777, but despite flopping quads, I would've been worried about my 2 kicker. It would've come a 7 on the river ofc and I would've been outkicked... Rigged nonsense innit.
BTW... how often am I 4-betting then checking the flop?
flatting the 4 bet would have been nice though if you know oppo is capable of 4 betting with ______________
check flop and over and collect from the ATM )
The hand from my perspective:
1) I raise to isolate the limper in position, expecting to scoop the pot or take it down with a c-bet against the limper
2) Bearlyther knows I'll raise to isolate the limper with a wide range, so 3-bets with a wide range
3) I 4-bet because I'm thinking Bearlyther knows I'll raise to isolate the limper with a wide range and therefore, I get 3-bet by a wide range. I pick up the 3-bet + blinds + limp if I get a fold here.
4) Min 5-bet turns your hand face-up. I sigh at running into AA/KK and levelling myself
FWIW, doing this with 98o or whatever I had looks reckless, but at the same time, I get paid off when I have a hand as a result.
Built my image, just need to become a nit now )
It's fine if you have reads that oppo is capable of 3 betting you wide because of the "he knows that you know stuff"
Also if oppo is 5 betting you with AA then you need to work on that image )
dont like flatting either, unless Mr Bingo sees you as a fish flatting a 4bet oop 100BB deep should set alarms off, he'll get it in with most hands that continue on the flop. Just shove it in, he calls with everything he 4bet for value, hes not 4b/f TT, AQ etc btn v blind at 100NL I wouldnt think
If we oop is not flatting a 4 bet and checking flop over a viable alternative versus oppo you feel are cabale of 4 bet with nothing and also carry on the story
or are we indeed better off shoving and ensuring we get paid from worse and also keep balance ?
Just wanna suck any information out of your brain that I can lol_raise )
If you want to take it down now and make all weaker hands fold, then 5-bet. Since there are no stronger hands than AA, I'd suggest that we try to find more value.
In both hands also you got position i find this intresting or is it bad to call off the extra few quid?
Also, it's not an extra £8 - It's not being raised from £24 to £32 (Idk why Sky shows bets this way), it's being raised another £32.
yea that is quite odd confused the bum off me i was taking you for a mug then bigtime lol
i find it hard to believe that someone who as you describe is very aggro with preflop 3b/4b wars is only stacking off with KK+ pre in what is the perfect squeeze spot for us.
the way you try to exploit someone who will 4b bluff a ton is to adjust your 3b/5b range. not to turn your hand face up and let him play perfectly vs us.
200bb deep and im all for flatting pre, but 100bb deep it is in almost all cases suboptimal imo
The problem, as I see it, is that so few players are ever going to 5-bet with anything less than KK here that he really is never going to stack off with anything less than KK himself. He'd have to give us credit for being a really clever/reckless player to call us with QQ or worse and most players just aren't that clever or reckless. Maybe if we had alot of history with him and he knew we were capable of this. (I'm not sure if that's the case here)
I totally agree that we'd need to adjust our raising range against EvilPingu but I can only argue my case on the basis of the information we have. If we know EvilPingu is super-aggro and we don't have any real history with him, then the flat is the only way I can see us getting any more value. Yes, 5-bet him in future with hands like TT, 99, AQ, AJ, so we can do the same with AA after building up our history with him, but right now I want value from these Aces.
people aren't going to be 4b/fing them anyway