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Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box

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  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    I don't think you really understand why having the channel is so great for the site and the advice it gives means that Sky is better placed than ANY UK poker room to continue growing.
    Posted by scotty77

    What, the TV channel?. Maybe it attracts more players but I dont think the TV show is good for poker in the long term.
    Everywhere now in poker, these "pros", who decide they can make more money teaching people how to play. They realise there is no longer much money actually player poker....can only hurt the game in the long term.

    I say if you had all the answers, you would keep them to yourself.
  • edited April 2012
    In reference to BRM, you can have a video podcast broadcast directly to every poker player's brain on a daily basis detailing the importance of BRM, it still won't change much.  Until you change basic human nature people will always chase money, play too high and risk it all.  That's the link between gamblers and poker.

    I also think it is vastly over rated how many players read forums and again even more over rated how much information people who do read them take out of them.  There's a gigantic difference between posting 'you should have folded pre' and applying it to your own game.

    It's also being underestimated how the USP of Skypoker is connected to the historical roots of poker in this Country.  Poker started in card schools, a small community who would play, banter and in some cases educate each other.  That's why it is so appealing and why this is one of the few sites actually growing.

    As far as the OP goes, people say stuff.  They shouldn't, but they are people.  Move on.
  • edited April 2012
    Have to say kudos to AJS for his honesty. If I was a pro I think I'd probably shre his view tbh. Not much room for altruism in a game where your aim is to take people's money of them.

    And isn't it telling that very few of the sites top players ever post in the clinic? Why would they want to improve anyone's game? Why would they want to reveal their thought process? I'd maybe even be tempted to post mis-information.

    I see where RyRy's coming from too though. Not a black and white case IMHO.
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : Bandwagon ;) He might be, but why shouldn't he be? He's trying to earn a living, why should he care about the long term health of the site or poker in general?  If everyone did as he's suggesting (never gonna happen) and all strategy forums died completely, games would be easier, and he'd make more money. The only reason he might wanna give a stuff* about the long term health of online poker is if he plans to raise his ferrets as poker players ;)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Not on the bandwagon really, just can see there point more :) 

    lol u have taught and even done long bit about nl4 to help people who play lower down so obv u share the same view otherwise u wouldnt post advice or talk to worse players online ;);) 
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : What, the TV channel?. Maybe it attracts more players but I dont think the TV show is good for poker in the long term. Everywhere now in poker, these "pros", who decide they can make more money teaching people how to play. They realise there is no longer much money actually player poker....can only hurt the game in the long term. I say if you had all the answers, you would keep them to yourself.
    Posted by Spad3s
    Tons of money in poker.  The people who say there isn't are usually regs who have turned into long term losing/break even players and have decided their sudden decline in fortunes must have a reason outside of their own game.

    Work hard=make money.  Do you work hard and not make money?  In that case work harder.
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : Tons of money in poker.  The people who say there isn't are usually regs who have turned into long term losing/break even players and have decided their sudden decline in fortunes must have a reason outside of their own game. Work hard=make money.  Do you work hard and not make money?  In that case work harder.
    Posted by TommyD
    As always a well reasoned point articulated in a way that is easy to understand. You should be on TV with your skills. Oh, wait, you already are!.lol. Great post mate.
    Besrt wishes. Shaun the Villa fan in Bham
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : Not on the bandwagon really, just can see there point more :)  lol u have taught and even done long bit about nl4 to help people who play lower down so obv u share the same view otherwise u wouldnt post advice or talk to worse players online ;);) 
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    I did this because I enjoy it, I don't even care about what influence it has on the site/games. Never even thought about it tbh.

    Leaving myself open for the inevitable rubz, but comparing me to him is just 'lol' anyway, the gulf in skill/volume/level/bankroll/profit/proffessionalism is huge. 

    This is partly (although not solely) down to his 'selfish' attitude. 

    You can't actually argue that what he's saying is 'wrong'. Unless you mean morally or w/e.

    In which case, again, why should he care wat ppl think?

  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : Tons of money in poker.  The people who say there isn't are usually regs who have turned into long term losing/break even players and have decided their sudden decline in fortunes must have a reason outside of their own game. Work hard=make money.  Do you work hard and not make money?  In that case work harder.
    Posted by TommyD

    There may be still some money in poker, but I dont think anyone can argue against the fact that there isnt near as much as there once was.
    So yes, some regs may decide they are better off teaching others how to be "regs".
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : There may be still some money in poker, but I dont think anyone can argue against the fact that there isnt near as much as there once was. So yes, some regs may decide they are better off teaching others how to be "regs".
    Posted by Spad3s
    I don't think it's a question of the amount of money.  I will accept your point that there is less money in poker since Black Friday purely down to the U.S. blackout.

    Rather than the amount of money in poker what I actually think is the point is it takes more work to become a winning player now.  In the good old days all you needed was the most rudimentary knowledge and half a level of thinking to become a regular winner.  A lot of regs from those days are annoyed with themselves that they didn't take advantage when they had the chance (myself included).

    It takes a lot more graft now but there is still an unbelievable amount of money to be won.  It just isn't as easy as it used to be.
  • edited April 2012
    Players in the past never got any info, I certainly didn't when I started playing in 2004/5, it was a case of learning the hard way and I had a maxed out credit card to show for it. From that point of view I agree with AJS, why when you're trying to win money do you help the people you're trying to win the money off? 
    I can understand SKY wanting everyone to improve as they aren't interested who wins as long as people play and the rake keeps coming in, it's in their interest that players are better and don't go broke. 
    Personally, I do try to help people now and then as the info I give is pretty basic and people getting better doesn't effect me that much, I'm not a pro and I only play small stakes, which I can beat. 
    If I was a pro and had mouths to feed with the winnings I might have an opinion like AJS. 
  • edited April 2012
    I feel like I've been told off by AJS... I'm sorry... I didn't mean to...

    Anyway, from my point of view I'm only helping a very few players anyway. There's probably only 30 or so regular posters in the clinic and I think there are more poker players out there than that. The thing is, I probably learn more than anyone else from my repsonses in the clinic. Explaining my own thoughts gives others the chance to challenge those thought processes and forces me to justify them to myself. This leads to my good habits being reinforced and my poor habits being redressed.

    If anyone has learned from the vast amounts of hopeless drivvle I've posted in the clinic, it's got to be me. So AJS I would say that posting in the clinic and "helping" others has improved my profitability, not harmed it... that's if I ever bother to play the game again... which isn't looking likely. lol
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    I feel like I've been told off by AJS... I'm sorry... I didn't mean to... Anyway, from my point of view I'm only helping a very few players anyway. There's probably only 30 or so regular posters in the clinic and I think there are more poker players out there than that. The thing is, I probably learn more than anyone else from my repsonses in the clinic. Explaining my own thoughts gives others the chance to challenge those thought processes and forces me to justify them to myself. This leads to my good habits being reinforced and my poor habits being redressed. If anyone has learned from the vast amounts of hopeless drivvle I've posted in the clinic, it's got to be me. So AJS I would say that posting in the clinic and "helping" others has improved my profitability, not harmed it... that's if I ever bother to play the game again... which isn't looking likely. lol
    Posted by BorinLoner
    Theres probably alot more(lurkers) that read all that info and take all that advice in which is good.
    Borin,im abit confused about you asking for advice to improve at the game but your thinking about not playing?
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : Theres probably alot more(lurkers) that read all that info and take all that advice in which is good. Borin,im abit confused about you asking for advice to improve at the game but your thinking about not playing?
    Posted by stokefc
    There probably are alot of people reading ocassionally but if they're not asking questions and laying out their own ideas, I doubt they're learning too much... especially if they're listening to me. :)

    I don't generally post my own hands or ask advice from others but you learn alot when answering other peoples' questions. You open up your own methods to scrutiny.

    I don't play much purely because I don't enjoy the game at the moment. Real life issues have taken the fun out of things but I still like thinking about the game. I'll get back to playing mega-volume again some day.
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : There probably are alot of people reading ocassionally but if they're not asking questions and laying out their own ideas, I doubt they're learning too much... especially if they're listening to me. :) I don't generally post my own hands or ask advice from others but you learn alot when answering other peoples' questions. You open up your own methods to scrutiny. I don't play much purely because I don't enjoy the game at the moment. Real life issues have taken the fun out of things but I still like thinking about the game. I'll get back to playing mega-volume again some day.
    Posted by BorinLoner
    All those Ace-high-min-5bet bluffs not getting through lol
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box:
    In Response to Re: Tapping the tank and educating in the chat box : All those Ace-high-min-5bet bluffs not getting through lol
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Yeah, what's up with that? Since when does that not work? lol
  • edited April 2012
    ok m8 hope things work out for you and you start to enjoy the game more,afterall its just a game at the end of the day theres more importent things in life.gl
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