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400nl HU: River decision in 3b pot
Thought i'd post this as i never play HU. My memory isnt too good but from what i can remember this was vs what i assume was a competent reg, who i'd never played before. I would guess a little on the tight side, didnt 3b too frequently and i think this was the first 3bet he'd called out of about 4. Dont think there had been any real big pots of note before this and he hadnt done anything out of the ordinary.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| villain | Small blind | £2.00 | £2.00 | £417.00 | |
| offshoot | Big blind | £4.00 | £6.00 | £490.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| villain | Raise | £10.00 | £16.00 | £407.00 | |
| offshoot | Raise | £32.00 | £48.00 | £458.00 | |
| villain | Call | £24.00 | £72.00 | £383.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| offshoot | Bet | £40.00 | £112.00 | £418.00 | |
| villain | Call | £40.00 | £152.00 | £343.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| offshoot | Bet | £100.00 | £252.00 | £318.00 | |
| villain | Call | £100.00 | £352.00 | £243.00 | |
| River | |||||
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| offshoot? | |||||
Comments
probably just shove ! more hands that you beat than not but will still call a shove
if oppo turn over AK/KJ, like mmmm how do we ever c/f or b/f versus the amount oppo has got left
oppo probabbly checks it back anyway with anything you beat
Anyway, I'd go for the check-call. I'm not so sure that there are that many worse hands that call our shove. I'd reason that there are a few hands that might shove on us as either a bluff or for relatively thin value. If he checks back a bare King or Ace, then I'd shrug my shoulders and say I've missed some value. I'm sure I don't have to say it but folding shouldn't be an option.
Sorry I gone a bit silly -_-
With v little dynamics i prob b/c ~130 value from Ax, kq etc.
Question for both of you:
b/c £80ish, don't we just hold up a sign saying that we ain't folding
I don't mind the idea of betting small. I have to admit that I tend to look at these things with a tournament mind - we have less than a pot-bet back, so it's shove or check. Of course we can bet small for value in cash, but I think that when we bet small it's going to look an awful lot like a value bet. I don't think it will ever be viewed as a blocker bet and therefore we can never expect to be shoved on by a weak hand. So I suppose that's an argument for folding to a shove after betting £70 or so... but I don't think I would ever find a fold.
So I think the question is; does our £70 bet get called by twice as much of his range as a shove does? I don't know, to be honest, but if the answer is no then we should shove... Although I would still check and look to pick off a shove from him, with what I would think would be a wider range than would call. Can't say if it's "right" but it's what I'd do.
And somtimes does btm range still call the shove anyway....given whats left behind
- if we say it's a given we only get called or shoved on by better the minority of the time
Is it better we shove and be called more often with hands that we beat or bet out and only be called sometimes and get folds the other times
Very perplexing :S
bet flop and turn bigger imo, its not likely hes going to float or raise that board with air
I think I like jamming, although sikas talks a lot of sense. Really dont like c/c
So he obv knows this, and could even station down with something like A10 maybe?
I also dont like a shove. Seems like youre just wanting him to call with a lot of hands he probably doesnt have. Its also hard to stay balanced when you shove this board. Youre just setting yourself up to get valuetowned most of the time. Its probably wise not to shove randon FD's on this board so how can it be right to shove something like QT?
Is that what your saying ?
Check/call - IDONKCALLU, BorinLoner, Wacko90
Shove - Rancid, Dudeskin8, DOHHHHHHH, Young_Gun, grantorino
Bet/call - Whoam196, sikas, LadyFingrs(?)
Bet/fold - LadyFingrs(?)
There you go offshoot. The consensus is that you should check/call, shove, bet/call or bet/fold... That's got to be helpful.
I can't see what you can be ahead of here apart from AQ OR AJ or maybe he isnt getting that far with KQ OR QJ. If you shove he is folding AJ but calling with AQ majority of the time so your losing value IMO by shoving. If you check he is shoving regardless majority of the time. And because of his stack size and tghe bet on the turn you cant really bet fold as your going to have to bet atleast £100 meaning if he comes over the top for his remaining £143 you have to call. I think it's a check fold