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When is enough enough
The more i understand the game, the less i understand some of its players. I am getting more and more frustrated by the ability of the FISH and wonderin how many times i have to lose perfectly good hands when played properly to those who play rubbish hands and get lucky.
Does there come at time when i should use the "if you cant beat them join them policy" because playing proper poker as it shoud be played is getting me nowhere fast.
I try playing position, i try pre-flop raising using the correct amount of raise X3 and still get called & fished.
Where am i going wrong.....Please help.
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Does there come at time when i should use the "if you cant beat them join them policy" because playing proper poker as it shoud be played is getting me nowhere fast.
I try playing position, i try pre-flop raising using the correct amount of raise X3 and still get called & fished.
Where am i going wrong.....Please help.
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You are NOT going wrong. Try to get your money in good, & you will win in the long-term.
Yes, it's frustrating when "bad calls" hit, but there is only one way to win - get your money in good.
There are a lot of gung-ho players who mess about with funky starting hands. 90% of them go busto in due course.
Don't go there - play the game right, & you'll be just fine.
This game is warfare and dont you forget it !!!...There are no rules of war at poker when playing on-line..... The best kept secret is "Confusion" Mix up your play..
Dont follow the sheep in doing what the books say, the "Proper bet size" . I guarantee you if you took 10 people who have notes on me and my play... they'd all be different !!! "Muppet" "Donk' "Rock" "Lunatic" "Calling station" "Aggressive" "Primo winner" "Trapper" "Offensive" "Chatty" ..It will all be there ..the point is this ..
If your predictable in what your doing then others will use that to their advantage, on the other hand there's nothing wrong with playing the "Proper Way", just do it in a way other cant tell.
"Confussion" and "Timing" is properly !!!
In the short term we have to remember that poker is a game about decisions and not results. If we keep making the right decisions and the right plays then we will be a winner in the long term, unfortunately we can easily become phased by the short term and individual hand results.
Just keep playing the game well and the results will come and you will have all the success your good plays deserve
HI BORO ,IVE BEEN HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM IN RECENT WEEKS,IF U RAISE EARLY ON IN A TOURNEY ,YOU GET 38 CALLERS WITCH CAN BE FRUSTRATING ,IVE CHANGED MY GAME NOW ,AND JUST SIT TIGHT, AND LET THESE FISH KNOCK EACH OTHER OUT.......I TEND NOT TO RAISE WITH MY AK AQ AJ HANDS ANYMORE ,I JUST CALL AND SEE A FLOP ,THEN DECIDE IF I WANNA BET {BIT BINGO LIKE REALLY}BUT ITS HELPED ME GET THROUGH THE EARLY STAGES ...AND I SEEM TO B GOING DEEP IN MOST TOURNEYS I PLAY NOW,THE HARDEST PART OF OF A MTT IN MY OPINION IS THE EARLY STAGES..........GL TEN
Just 1 example of how i am getting beat
A posted a small blind 50.
B posted a big blind 100.
C raised for 300.
borobabe09 raised for 500 Hand KK
E called for 500.
F folded
A folded
B folded
C called for 200.
Dealing the flop (7c,Qd,Kd).
C bet 300.
borobabe09 has gone all in for 2,110.
E folded
C called for 1,810.
C showed Td,Js.
borobabe09 showed Ks,Kh.
/>Dealing the turn (9c).
/>Dealing the river (Ah).
C won the hand (5,870) with Straight to the Ace (Td,Js,Qd,Kd,Ah)
Was i fished, or was my all-in call poor?
Tryin to get my money in got me nowhere?
Bennydip2, i am playing different styles of poker, but seem to be on a losing streak no matter what.
I played the slow game earlier and got had??
I play reckless & it gets me no where?
I fish for the flush & straight and that just loses me chips?
these fish are not making money long term, dont join em
I am varying my play and i am doing all the things ppl are telling me along the way, i have not read any bookes or browsed the internet for tips on poker, i am merely watching and listening to those around me.
I have loved poker for years, just recently started online play, my brother got me a poker table years ago, alongtime before poker especially Texas hold em became more commercial.
I do appear to be lacking in confidence and self belief and it is serious to me when my money is involved.
Argghh, im feeling lost
The only mistake you made was pre flop, your raise should have been bigger to eliminate the speculative hands from calling. As soon as that flop came down you were both going all the way.
This is just a hand that plays itself and you should try not to worry about it too much
The worst thing to do imo is to play when frustrated - it's like a life long tilt. Just relax, do something else, rediscover another passion and return when you know where you are. You will be back more quickly than you can imagine!
Well it worked for me - good luck with whatever you decide.
If it's a small stakes game, a lot of people don't care if they lose.
The couple of quid thay are paying, is a charge for a bit of entertainment.
I only play small stakes stuff here (I like to play two MTTs a week at a different site, I'd do that here, but I have too many connection problems for some reason) as I play when at work, I play when on call at home. If I get interrupted at work or get called out, I chuck the chips in with any rubbish, chase the draw etc. I can imagine there are many who do the same.
In the long run you will come out on top, especially if at a table with me, just ask me if I'm at work....
Good luck and take it easy.
Thanks again all.
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A, was the 'min' re- raise to induce a call or re-raise, there by trapping with a big hand. or
B, were you wanting to see a flop in case an Ace came , at which point you could 'check' or 'bet' the 'turn' card ..
C, With KK and out of position after the initial raise .. 'min' re-raising isn't really the best option, in a tournament early stages.. I would have probably done one of two things.. either move all in, or more likely would have flat called to see the flop.
The thing here also is, did player 'C' have a big stack or was this around the beginning when your all about even chipped.
Just reading the hand, as I say to many players once the 'flop' has been dealt you have to read what could be happening ...
In this situation how can you blame yourself ??? You've hit top set !!
There's not a player in the world who's not getting all their chips in now the way the hand has been played .. you've done nothing wrong.. Sure we could all say, ' Ah you should have gone all-in after player 'C' had raised in front of you but in the 'moment' we all try to think of our options, being that ' I need to get this hand 'heads-up'' however some times players think they want to get paid big for their 'BIG' hands and consequently let others in to 'outdraw' them..
These thoughts go through all players minds when playing 'BIG' hands pre-flop but in the early stages of tournaments it's all about survival and 'chip building' ...
Ultimately there are hands and situations that clash and there's nothing you can do about those, you just have to put them down to the very nature of the game , sometimes it's 'JOY' .. sometimes it's 'PAIN" .
To play tournament poker you have to accept there are times when you feel like your "handcuffed to a ghost' ..There are others when you feel like you've just won 'The Derby"
glk I'm sure you have a good game, the hard part is learning to deal with 'the "SWINGS" !!
Poker is a game of people played with cards. It is not a game of cards played by people.
Play the person, not the cards.
I was playing in Luton recently and a great cash player, thinking I was tight passive, ( we haven't played together for a long time) raised my BB. I flat called with 2 5 off. The flop came A K 7 or something similar, I bet out. he had to fold saying 'I needed a different type of flop' so I showed the bluff saying 'so did I' . I knew he was raising with nothing because he was playing me, and if I called he had to assume I had picture cards or an ace.
This was early in the MTT & every1 was pretty even with the chips.....
My beef being this has been happening alot to me just recently....i choose my cards (dont play every hand) & the flops are poor. I fold my cards & the flop produces????
Does playing larger price MTT guarantee me a better quality of player, as loosing smallamount regular doesn't seem to be paying off at the mo, or is that totally irrelevant also....
I woukd suggest not moving up tables, unless your bankroll can stand it, otherwise you will find yourself playing with whats called scared money, I.E more than you can afford, this will in turn produce worse poker Been there done it wore the T shirt and seen the video
As a point of interest, I started down at 30p dym,s and now at 1.15, s bankroll at £32.00, youi can do it
"Sometimes we run so good" !!
Other times, "We cant hit our grannies a s s with a bango"
The answer about larger tournaments is maybe it would suite your game, but when playing online you meet all sorts of strange play , however it doesn't mean the players are bad , just unpredictable at any level !!
It's really a game of Patience and being able to spot openings while keeping track of the 'blinds' and your opponents chip stack's ..
glk I'm guessing your doing these things, but neither of use can guess what goes through the minds of others when we are sitting at a computer...........
you is a feather in a windy day ,
but when this wind goes,
to be sure to be sure your game will be one of greatness,
you shall go forth and sometimes even better ,
maybe first,
so now go my a little feather friend,
and do not let these fish get to you ,
on a serious note ,
dohhhhhhhhh ,
you are a good player do not change your game,
bet big from the off and take down the pots before the dreaded river .
yours forever ,
the roving Irishman