Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.

Lambert180

It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is.

The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two.

GREGHOGG

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It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is. The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two.
Posted by Lambert180

This

I fold the AK in Coxys spot too we have too many big blinds to gamble here...

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

It's probably unwise to disagree too much with someone as good as Coxy when you're not nearly as experienced/successful as he is. The point is, say you have AK and call, and the other guy shows up with 56, he's still gonna have about 40% chance of knocking you out the tourney. Why, when you are as deep as 80BB would you wanna take a 40% chance of getting knocked out when you are more than good enough to A) win your chips from other players by playing good poker and perfectly capable of waiting for much better hands than A-high against a guy who calls with any two.
Posted by Lambert180

Unfortunately I don't base my disagreements on how experienced/successful someone is.  I understand the point and I do not disagree with it.  The statement I have highlighted is incorrect.  It wasn't meant as a personal attack on the author and I hope he won't treat it as one.

GREGHOGG

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Unfortunately I don't base my disagreements on how experienced/successful someone is.  I understand the point and I do not disagree with it.  The statement I have highlighted is incorrect.  It wasn't meant as a personal attack on the author and I hope he won't treat it as one.
Posted by Wilhelm

so you are 600 big blind deep in the first level of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards (ts a known maniac businessman rich gambler) and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded)

so your happy to call here ye?  there will be much better spots so its the easiest fold in foldville...
 
Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly!

fwiw i think u meant to say "it is sometimes" in response to Coxy..

Wilhelm

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In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : so you are 600 big blind deep in the first hand of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded) so your happy to call here ye? Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly!
Posted by GREGHOGG

I would fold every time but I wouldn't chastise anyone for calling.  Before anyone misconstrues that last statement, I'm not saying that I feel anyone has been chastised on this thread.  I am merely stating that I would not chastise anyone for getting it in as 60% favourite.  

Against a random hand over a large enough sample, I'd take AK.  Is that clear enough?

Wilhelm

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : so you are 600 big blind deep in the first level of the WSOP main event. someone announces all in blind and clearly does not see his cards (ts a known maniac businessman rich gambler) and you have AK os in the BB (everyone else has folded) so your happy to call here ye?  there will be much better spots so its the easiest fold in foldville...   Obviously up to 20-30bbs deep in a standard sky mtt we can snap off without hesitation with AK but u have to take into account the situation and the bigger picture when making a poker decision. Something i think Coxy and then Lambert summarise perfectly! fwiw i think u meant to say "it is sometimes" in response to Coxy..
Posted by GREGHOGG

But if I had said that, I wouldn't have had as much fun in the reulting argument.

donkeyplop

Going off topic a bit.................

Coxy was very unlucky when 3 handed.

He had aces in the bb and the other 2 folded to him, then got them again and lost a massive pot to andrew when he shoved 78 and hit trip 8's!

Live pokers rigged too you see

Unknown

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In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : It is.
Posted by Wilhelm

Definitely in cash, but with a deep stack fairly early in a two day event, I don't agree. I know people's opinions will differ on this matter, but that's poker

Edit: My browser didn't update the thread with all the replies, sorry for the short answer. Will is absolutely correct in one sense - don't judge someone on their prior success/ability, this is a vacuum decision where I define myself as having an X% greater edge over the table, and I felt X > the difference in equity between AKo and a random hand with my chipstack. If you are on a tough table and you feel your X% is less, then having a bigger stack is much better for you so stick it in and hope for a win.

Unknown

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

Going off topic a bit................. Coxy was very unlucky when 3 handed. He had aces in the bb and the other 2 folded to him, then got them again and lost a massive pot to andrew when he shoved 78 and hit trip 8's! Live pokers rigged too you see
Posted by donkeyplop

Still having nightmares two days later. "Oh, I've got two outs for 2million chips".

donkeyplop

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In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Still having nightmares two days later. "Oh, I've got two outs for 2million chips".
Posted by CoxyLboro

I was watching the live stream, you took it pretty well!

You would have been massive chip leader if they held but that's poker for you!

DAVEYZZ

btw..what is the actual ruling on showing cards..i heard he was shoving and showing before others had chance to call/fold.

some say your cards are mucked and some say not,,is it dependent on the card room?

Unknown

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btw..what is the actual ruling on showing cards..i heard he was shoving and showing before others had chance to call/fold. some say your cards are mucked and some say not,,is it dependent on the card room?
Posted by DAVEYZZ

Very room dependant. I've seen rulings that;

Hand is dead

Hand is live and can continue as normal

Hand is live but can only call bets, no aggressive action

DAVEYZZ

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Very room dependant. I've seen rulings that; Hand is dead Hand is live and can continue as normal Hand is live but can only call bets, no aggressive action
Posted by CoxyLboro

yea me too....i think if it is against two players it is wrong imo....but no probs hu..

rancid

Wait for a better spot versus drunk man

ctbn

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you. : Still having nightmares two days later. "Oh, I've got two outs for 2million chips".
Posted by CoxyLboro

i know how u feel chris,,,,,,,,, the KING, on the river for goldenballs,, has given me nightmares,,lol,, enjoyed the chat n banter m8 ,,,, 

ctbn

i heard about this guy pushing all day 1 ,,, hitting everything ,taking bountys ,bountys,,,and more bountys,, most other tables were having a laugh about the calls he was making,, well day 2, i was moved to table 3, that was the first i had laid eyes on him,, i woke up with AA utg,, 3xbet,, he raised back to i think 25k,, i could not believe my luck, sitting on about the same sized stacks ,,, AND THE LEGEND FROM DAY 1 WAS MAKING A MOVE INTO MY AA,, i sat wondering how to play them against him,,, but thinking of the stories going around the card room on day 1,,,, made it very very easy JAM THE LOT IN,,,, he did take his time over the desision, and i was trying to look nervous , i stood up to stretch my leg and turned around, bumping a table of drink over a young lady,, and when i heard his call, i was buzzing inside,,, but missed out on his bounty ,but it was his chips i wanted firstly,,,,,,,,,,,,

i thought the bounty hunter 2 day event was a great weekend, the bountys adding to excitment, of the whole event, hope a repeat for next year.

joesman1

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i heard about this guy pushing all day 1 ,,, hitting everything ,taking bountys ,bountys,,,and more bountys,, most other tables were having a laugh about the calls he was making,, well day 2, i was moved to table 3, that was the first i had laid eyes on him,, i woke up with AA utg,, 3xbet,, he raised back to i think 25k,, i could not believe my luck, sitting on about the same sized stacks ,,, AND THE LEGEND FROM DAY 1 WAS MAKING A MOVE INTO MY AA,, i sat wondering how to play them against him,,, but thinking of the stories going around the card room on day 1,,,, made it very very easy JAM THE LOT IN,,,, he did take his time over the desision, and i was trying to look nervous , i stood up to stretch my leg and turned around, bumping a table of drink over a young lady,, and when i heard his call, i was buzzing inside,,, but missed out on his bounty ,but it was his chips i wanted firstly,,,,,,,,,,,, i thought the bounty hunter 2 day event was a great weekend, the bountys adding to excitment, of the whole event, hope a repeat for next year.
Posted by ctbn

Your command of the Queens English is admirable!!

BLACK_MASS

In Response to Re: Drunk players with huge stacks and letting them tilt you.:

i heard about this guy pushing all day 1 ,,, hitting everything ,taking bountys ,bountys,,,and more bountys,, most other tables were having a laugh about the calls he was making,, well day 2, i was moved to table 3, that was the first i had laid eyes on him,, i woke up with AA utg,, 3xbet,, he raised back to i think 25k,, i could not believe my luck, sitting on about the same sized stacks ,,, AND THE LEGEND FROM DAY 1 WAS MAKING A MOVE INTO MY AA,, i sat wondering how to play them against him,,, but thinking of the stories going around the card room on day 1,,,, made it very very easy JAM THE LOT IN,,,, he did take his time over the desision, and i was trying to look nervous , i stood up to stretch my leg and turned around, bumping a table of drink over a young lady,, and when i heard his call, i was buzzing inside,,, but missed out on his bounty ,but it was his chips i wanted firstly,,,,,,,,,,,, i thought the bounty hunter 2 day event was a great weekend, the bountys adding to excitment, of the whole event, hope a repeat for next year.
Posted by ctbn

the pity of it
i hate wasted drink stories more than any other

unknown_username

Hi Jonjo
I actually am a bit sickened by behaviour like this and would like to know if warnings can be given from the staff on the floor. What exactly is the position concerning boorish, drunken behaviour at a table. I wasn't there in Blackpool but i'd be like you you jonjo and feel like my day was becoming less enjoyable. Its nothing to do with how he plays but loutish, drunken behaviour doesn't reflect well on the tournament, poker or Sky.
Surely someone should have had a word. The problem is that the rules aren't strict enough, i suspect.
To my mind... a warning then table sit-out for a period then a chuck out!!! And good riddance!
Maybe he will apologise to the community who were there but its unlikely, isn't it?

jonjo75

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Hi Jonjo I actually am a bit sickened by behaviour like this and would like to know if warnings can be given from the staff on the floor. What exactly is the position concerning boorish, drunken behaviour at a table. I wasn't there in Blackpool but i'd be like you you jonjo and feel like my day was becoming less enjoyable. Its nothing to do with how he plays but loutish, drunken behaviour doesn't reflect well on the tournament, poker or Sky. Surely someone should have had a word. The problem is that the rules aren't strict enough, i suspect. To my mind... a warning then table sit-out for a period then a chuck out!!! And good riddance! Maybe he will apologise to the community who were there but its unlikely, isn't it?
Posted by profman15

Hi Prof I am not sure myself of the rules i guess each casino is different and it would be up to cardroom manager to decide where the line is.I am sure you could find other players who were there who would say his behaviour wasnt that bad but as i have said before i do have a real problem with time wasting and generall rudeness but everyone has different standards i suppose.