Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show

Dazler · July 2012

never raise the same every time or your predictable, mix it up 2x 2.3 2.5 3 or 4 then no one knows what you have, so many times i see players raising the same amount every time with certain types of cards and i can get a read on there range by the betting size. Of coarse it mainly depends on your stack size if your short you dont wanna set your self up to get commited only to miss and be in a bad situation. If your stacked with a decent amount you can play around with it a bit more. Its all about who and how many your generaly against.

Mohican · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

never raise the same every time or your predictable, mix it up 2x 2.3 2.5 3 or 4 then no one knows what you have, so many times i see players raising the same amount every time with certain types of cards and i can get a read on there range by the betting size. Of coarse it mainly depends on your stack size if your short you dont wanna set your self up to get commited only to miss and be in a bad situation. If your stacked with a decent amount you can play around with it a bit more. Its all about who and how many your generaly against.
Posted by Dazler

or always raise the same amount whatever your hand strength, no reads this way either.

jakally · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

never raise the same every time or your predictable, mix it up 2x 2.3 2.5 3 or 4 then no one knows what you have, so many times i see players raising the same amount every time with certain types of cards and i can get a read on there range by the betting size. Of coarse it mainly depends on your stack size if your short you dont wanna set your self up to get commited only to miss and be in a bad situation. If your stacked with a decent amount you can play around with it a bit more. Its all about who and how many your generaly against.
Posted by Dazler

Pretty much, using the same raise size at each level of an MTT, is the most inexploitable way to play.

Trying to 'mix it up' when stacks are shallow later on, is almost certainly going to result in you giving information away, or create situations where you are in difficulties due to effective stack size.

The exception to this is changing your raise size due to the effective stacks behind you, still to act.

For instance, if you are on the button, and both the SB and BB have 9BB stacks, and you have 35BB's, then any hand you are raising, you may as well jam.

But if the SB has 25BB's, and the BB has 9BB's then open to your normal size.

Dazler · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show : or always raise the same amount whatever your hand strength, no reads this way either.
Posted by Mohican

what i mean by this is a lot of players only min raise all the time with drawing hands raises it 3 times with AK AQ and 4x raise it with pk pairs. So if you just raise exactly the same amount every hand then it becomes harder to narrow the field or you cant represent something that you might not have or disguise a monster . If you raise differently constantly i think it can work in your favour more. If i raise 3x bb with AK in one scenario and then only raise it 2x or limp on another occassion they will have no clue and trappng can then come into play. Depends on the type of player you are, if you multi table and just play ABC poker then nothing wrong in keeping to a routine way of playing as long as its not to predictable which when multi tabling it can become that way.

GREGHOGG · July 2012

Min raising is a great tool if u know what to do post flop with value hands and with bluffs in different situations

The_Don90 · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show : Pretty much, using the same raise size at each level of an MTT, is the most inexploitable way to play. Trying to 'mix it up' when stacks are shallow later on, is almost certainly going to result in you giving information away, or create situations where you are in difficulties due to effective stack size. The exception to this is changing your raise size due to the effective stacks behind you, still to act. For instance, if you are on the button, and both the SB and BB have 9BB stacks, and you have 35BB's, then any hand you are raising, you may as well jam. But if the SB has 25BB's, and the BB has 9BB's then open to your normal size.
Posted by jakally

massive +1.

If im honest i have set raise sizes for different levels. I try to stick to these but change as jakally says for different situations.

waller02 · July 2012

I find raising 2x - 2.2x in a small stakes deepstack or BH tends to get multiple callers which can never be a good thing, you have to raise to 3x or even 4x to get the raise through with just one caller the majority of the time, especially in the early to mid stages. It is towards the later stages where I find you can start reducing the raise size and get more respect......or is this just me??

Should you adjust your raise sizing accordingly? James is taking about main events where the quality of the field tends to be stronger resulting in raises getting more respect.

BLACK_MASS · July 2012

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I think you should be able to set your own buttons up
Posted by Batkin88

simple
genius !
7 options plus slider and all-in.

belsibub · July 2012

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Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider.
Posted by SoLack

OK, have spoken to Adam, & he tells me this IS in the "desired functionality" List.

1) It will NOT be done on the current Flash-based tables.

2) It is on the list for the new Tables (mid-year) on the new client, though they will launch the basic table first, then stuff like this will be added.

VespaPX · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

Tikay10 Posts: 15748 First: 20/5/2009 Last: 16/7/2012 In Response to Re: Sky Poker Software, & "IT" : Don't need antes when the tourneys are structered correctly as most now are. What I mean tikay is give me an option to have a bb x2.2 button like I can on another site instead of having to use the standard bet sizw buttons or having to type in amount or pixx about with slider. Posted by SoLack OK, have spoken to Adam, & he tells me this IS in the "desired functionality" List. 1) It will NOT be done on the current Flash-based tables. 2) It is on the list for the new Tables (mid-year) on the new client, though they will launch the basic table first, then stuff like this will be added.
Posted by belsibub

Nice one Tikay thanks

The_Don90 · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

I find raising 2x - 2.2x in a small stakes deepstack or BH tends to get multiple callers which can never be a good thing, you have to raise to 3x or even 4x to get the raise through with just one caller the majority of the time, especially in the early to mid stages. It is towards the later stages where I find you can start reducing the raise size and get more respect......or is this just me?? Should you adjust your raise sizing accordingly? James is taking about main events where the quality of the field tends to be stronger resulting in raises getting more respect.
Posted by waller02

I want to address this personally to you in reply since i shared your table with you in the £1 cheapstack in the DTD last night.

Going to post 2 hands in responce i think will be a valid reply. Both hands same table and will be against the same oppo. Both times you are on the table.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		100.00	100.00	14812.00
The_Don90	Big blind		200.00	300.00	11646.00
	Your hole cards	J J
waller02	Fold
Gullyman	Fold
nobarks	Fold
banjo518	Fold
x	Call		100.00	400.00	14712.00
The_Don90	Raise		466.00	866.00	11180.00
x	Call		466.00	1332.00	14246.00
Flop
		7 4 7
x	Check
The_Don90	Bet		777.00	2109.00	10403.00
x	Fold
The_Don90	Muck
The_Don90	Win		1332.00		11735.00
The_Don90	Return		777.00	0.00	12512.00

Hand one is maybe a bit results orientated. However we have Jacks. One limper (i probably should open bigger in this spot tbh). However i open for a normalish 2.33x raise. I only get one caller - the limper. This is in a £1 tournament. Often enough the one cbet is going to take it down.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		200.00	200.00	24657.00
The_Don90	Big blind		400.00	600.00	9912.00
	Your hole cards	A 9
waller02	Fold
Peasant	Fold
nobarks	Fold
banjo518	Fold
x	Raise		600.00	1200.00	24057.00
The_Don90	All-in		9912.00	11112.00	0.00
x	Call		9512.00	20624.00	14545.00
x	Show	5 A
The_Don90	Show	A 9
Flop
		9 5 6
Turn
		6
River
		5
x	Win	Full House, 5s and 6s	20624.00		35169.00

Hand 2, This is proof that if their going to call, their going to call. My 25x 3bet shove is actually a value shove here, against this particular opponent. I Know i was annoyed at the time but thats me. Anyways so there we go, same oppo, im confident of having it Heads up pot with this oppo alot with a 2.33x raise. But i also am confident he will call 25BB pre with worse than A9o. And on this occassion i was correct. I believe he busted to another opponent 2 hands later.

I've brought these two hands up to show i don't think you need to 3x or 4x in these tournaments. Certainly not past 25/50 anyways.

Batkin88 · July 2012

I only use 3x and 4 x in first two levels, then its always under 3x gradually decreasing throughout the levels.
e.g 4x , 3x, 2.75x 2.5x 2.25x and then usually 2.000000000000000000000000001x

Dependent on others stacks and whats happened prior to my action ofcourse

DOHHHHHHH · July 2012

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show:

In Response to Re: Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show : I want to address this personally to you in reply since i shared your table with you in the £1 cheapstack in the DTD last night. Going to post 2 hands in responce i think will be a valid reply. Both hands same table and will be against the same oppo. Both times you are on the table. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance x Small blind 100.00 100.00 14812.00 The_Don90 Big blind 200.00 300.00 11646.00 Your hole cards J J waller02 Fold Gullyman Fold nobarks Fold banjo518 Fold x Call 100.00 400.00 14712.00 The_Don90 Raise 466.00 866.00 11180.00 x Call 466.00 1332.00 14246.00 Flop 7 4 7 x Check The_Don90 Bet 777.00 2109.00 10403.00 x Fold The_Don90 Muck The_Don90 Win 1332.00 11735.00 The_Don90 Return 777.00 0.00 12512.00 Hand one is maybe a bit results orientated. However we have Jacks. One limper (i probably should open bigger in this spot tbh). However i open for a normalish 2.33x raise. I only get one caller - the limper. This is in a £1 tournament. Often enough the one cbet is going to take it down. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance x Small blind 200.00 200.00 24657.00 The_Don90 Big blind 400.00 600.00 9912.00 Your hole cards A 9 waller02 Fold Peasant Fold nobarks Fold banjo518 Fold x Raise 600.00 1200.00 24057.00 The_Don90 All-in 9912.00 11112.00 0.00 x Call 9512.00 20624.00 14545.00 x Show 5 A The_Don90 Show A 9 Flop 9 5 6 Turn 6 River 5 x Win Full House, 5s and 6s 20624.00 35169.00 Hand 2, This is proof that if their going to call, their going to call. My 25x 3bet shove is actually a value shove here, against this particular opponent. I Know i was annoyed at the time but thats me. Anyways so there we go, same oppo, im confident of having it Heads up pot with this oppo alot with a 2.33x raise. But i also am confident he will call 25BB pre with worse than A9o. And on this occassion i was correct. I believe he busted to another opponent 2 hands later. I've brought these two hands up to show i don't think you need to 3x or 4x in these tournaments. Certainly not past 25/50 anyways.
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Raise sizing according to James Hartigan from last nights show

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