SPT sats

waller02

It seems a lot of people would like sky to review the SPT satellite structure. Personally I would like to see 3 rounds of sats all with 1 in 5 winning seats, this would certainly help us micro stakes players.

I can't afford to play 8 quid sats just to get to a semi with 1 in 10 going through.

Please SKY at least give us an answer instead of ignoring peoples views.

BorinLoner

This has come up before and, to be fair, Tikay addressed it briefly on the show the other day.

His basic point was that £72 is alot to pay for a satellite and is in fact far more than any main event. This makes it unlikely that many players would be buying in directly and so the field would be almost exclusively made up of players who've come through the lower sats.

I actually agree with Sky and Tikay on this, as I've said before. If the £36 games only attract enough players for 2 seats a time, then logically any £72 satellite would only attract enough for 1 seat each time. I know alot of people think that 1/5 gives them a better chance to qualify but statistically, if you want to get in cheaply, the odds are the same either way.

With that said, I do think that if the majority of players are unhappy with the system as it is, it would make sense for Sky to change things. Even if the odds were unchanged the perception would be that Sky is listening and doing what its customers want. I still think they could run a weekly 1/5 to make everyone happy...

Mohican

1 in 10 is equivalent to min cashing in a normal tourney. Shouldn't be that difficult. Doing it 1in5 would mean the 2nd rung is going to be £13 and I'd rather pay £8 to get into a semi fnal than £13. How about some 1in 5micro sats to get you into £8 sats? I dont wanna play 3 sats to get into the final.

waller02

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

This has come up before and, to be fair, Tikay addressed it briefly on the show the other day. His basic point was that £72 is alot to pay for a satellite and is in fact far more than any main event. This makes it unlikely that many players would be buying in directly and so the field would be almost exclusively made up of players who've come through the lower sats. I actually agree with Sky and Tikay on this, as I've said before. If the £36 games only attract enough players for 2 seats a time, then logically any £72 satellite would only attract enough for 1 seat each time. I know alot of people think that 1/5 gives them a better chance to qualify but statistically, if you want to get in cheaply, the odds are the same either way. With that said, I do think that if the majority of players are unhappy with the system as it is, it would make sense for Sky to change things. Even if the odds were unchanged the perception would be that Sky is listening and doing what its customers want. I still think they could run a weekly 1/5 to make everyone happy...
Posted by BorinLoner

Ah, ty for your post. I wasn't aware that Tikay had mentioned it on the show.

You make a good point, but surely the 72 quid satellites would fill via people winning seats from the other sats?
 
I would love to go to this event but don't have the luxury of being able to buy in direct and can only really have a couple of attempts at the 8 quid sats.......I'm sure there are many other micro stakes players in the same boat.

I agree about at least running a weekly 1 in 5, there must be some compromise that can be made???

BorinLoner

I thought there were micro sats into the £8 level earlier in the day. If not, then there should be. Even the Lucky 7's has satellites.

waller02

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

1 in 10 is equivalent to min cashing in a normal tourney. Shouldn't be that difficult. Doing it 1in5 would mean the 2nd rung is going to be £13 and I'd rather pay £8 to get into a semi fnal than £13. How about some 1in 5micro sats to get you into £8 sats? I dont wanna play 3 sats to get into the final.
Posted by Mohican

Yeah something like this would be good.

Dazler

I GOT MINE FOR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

waller02

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

I GOT MINE FOR FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Posted by Dazler

rub it in m8 lol

Dazler

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

In Response to Re: SPT sats : rub it in m8 lol
Posted by waller02

sorry couldnt resit lol

waller02

mmmm, not as many ppl as I thought then.....I def think sky could lay on some micro sats into the 8 quid ones though

Lambert180

Nah I definitely agree Waller, I'm definitely a micro stakes player and can't afford to just keep ploughing money into the £8s. I'm pretty confident in my ability to get through the 1in5 game in no more than 2 goes, but that's still £16 per semi, which I wouldn't mind IF the semi was 1in5, but it's £16 to get  into something where I know the odds of getting through are slim.

Micro feeders into the £8 is a good idea.

I didn't realise Tikay had mentioned it on TV either, but one thing you forget Borin... it's easy to say if the £36 games her an average of 2 seats, then the £72 games will get an average of 1, but it's just not true because (whether it's in people's heads or not) it is a fact that people are put off playing a 1in10 so it does massively reduce the number of people trying. You only have to look at previous SPTs, I tried qualifying for Brighton and Cardiff, both of which used to get 5-6 seats virtually every single night... jump forward to Nottingham, 2 seats if you're lucky.

BorinLoner

It's a fair enough point but I don't think there would be a huge increase in numbers. It might take it to two seats. I might be wrong but I think the Brighton and Cardiff SPT's were only £110 affairs, so the semi's would only have been £24 (or so).

Lambert180

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

It's a fair enough point but I don't think there would be a huge increase in numbers. It might take it to two seats. I might be wrong but I think the Brighton and Cardiff SPT's were only £110 affairs, so the semi's would only have been £24 (or so).
Posted by BorinLoner

Yes they were £24s (i think) and £5+ a bit into that sat, but that's my point, in reality, it doesn't matter what the main sat is £24 or £72, because most people aren't going to buying in direct. 1in5 is still 1in5 and is still going to encourage more people to try. Sometimes the £8 sats for nottingham struggle to get 1 seat, this can only be due to the fact people are put off by qualifying into a 1in10 game because this was never a problem with other SPTs like Brighton and Cardiff despite the feeder sats only being £3 cheaper.

BorinLoner

I think we've had this debate a couple of times before, Lambert.

I've got to say I really was surprised that there are no sats into the £8 level. Can't see why they aren't available considering how many other events have small satellites.

Dazler

Ive always said that most of the sats on here are way to much and there should be diffent levels for each type of player thats bankrolled. Everyone at every level should have a chance at this. And £8 quid sats you have to have at least a £300 br so why not do micro sats so you have to play an extra game to get through. Unless sky are worried that people will only play micros even the players with decent bankrolls and lose extra rake! which i dont think would happen infact they would prob make more as a lot more would try for it.

TRIP5

This is easy enough to solve..

Tuesday - Sunday @ 1:10 qualification for the larger BR
Monday (DTD night) @ 1:5 three tier qualification for the micro BR

#Win/Win

SPT's are first and foremost community focussed tournaments - a veritable live arm of the online site that we all (apart from the haters) know and love!!

This season all of the 1:10 SPT's have needed to be opened up to direct sales.. unfortunately this option excludes most of the smaller BR's..

To put it simply, if you have 120 seats available and Sky are still needing to open up qualification to direct BI with weeks to spare in order to fill the venue then there is something wrong with the qualification process..

In previous SPT seasons with a 1:5 quailification system you couldn't get an SPT seat for love nor money.. you HAD to qualify and pretty much EVERY event filled with weeks to spare..

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UareLIMPER

Cant you just play a DYM for £4 or some other S&G and pretend its a sattelite into the £8 one?

TheDart

I think the problem here, is a lack of choice.

The SPT Final would be the live equivalent of say the £110 SKy Roller tourney's.

Yet there is a wider choice of satellites to get into a Skyroller.
 
For the SkyRoller, we have a one seat in five semi, one seat in five satellites to get into the semi and the two seats in 25 satellites, all of which I believe are well supported and suit varied bankrolls.

I believe the cheapest you can get into a SkyRoller event is £5.30 which is odds of 20/1ish.

To be fair to Sky you can win a £330 SPT seat for £8 which is odds of 41/1ish, so relatively speaking the SPT final is accessible to players with a smaller bankroll.

What does surprise me though is that there aren't any 1 in 5 satellites available to get into the £8 satellites, there is obviously a demand for them.

and

There isn't at least one night a week where there is a 1 seat in 5 qualifying structure.

and

There haven't been any 'super sattelite' style qualifiers.

But lets not forget Sky are also laying on promotions to qualify via other routes, like that Dazler bloke winning a £330 seat for nothing!

 

pr1nnyraid

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

1 in 10 is equivalent to min cashing in a normal tourney. Shouldn't be that difficult. Doing it 1in5 would mean the 2nd rung is going to be £13 and I'd rather pay £8 to get into a semi fnal than £13. How about some 1in 5micro sats to get you into £8 sats? I dont wanna play 3 sats to get into the final.
Posted by Mohican

Not when there are only ~2 (usually 1) seats up for grabs.. Forcing you to play short handed at 2 points in the game(prior to FT & on FT) and HU where the variance is much higher.

Also fields are tougher than a sky mtt.

Either way sky seem disinterested at even trying to fix this, despite the fact the current satellites are clearly failing to please the vast majority.

Mohican

If there are 2 seats then you are playing a 20 man Sit 'n' go. Adjust your game accordingly. Stop looking for reasons why you're not qualifying and look at your own game. I'm a fairly LAG player in tournaments but my game tightens a lot in these as I've realised there is no need to go crazy. It's a big buy-in tourney. It's never going to be cheap to qualify and if you can't afford to play, don't. People are right in that it's not easy to qualify but when the sats are 1 in 5 in the semi's, you get a lot more runners, a longer bubble and you end up shallower stacked by the end as most players really tighten up and you end up in a shove/fold fest for 30-45 mins, not proper poker is it really. For the record, the last two events I've qualified by bubbling the semi, 1 buy-in short of the seat, so coughed up direct. If i can do it in a 1-10 format, anyone can.

pr1nnyraid

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

If there are 2 seats then you are playing a 20 man Sit 'n' go. Adjust your game accordingly. Stop looking for reasons why you're not qualifying and look at your own game. I'm a fairly LAG player in tournaments but my game tightens a lot in these as I've realised there is no need to go crazy. It's a big buy-in tourney. It's never going to be cheap to qualify and if you can't afford to play, don't. People are right in that it's not easy to qualify but when the sats are 1 in 5 in the semi's, you get a lot more runners, a longer bubble and you end up shallower stacked by the end as most players really tighten up and you end up in a shove/fold fest for 30-45 mins, not proper poker is it really. For the record, the last two events I've qualified by bubbling the semi, 1 buy-in short of the seat, so coughed up direct. If i can do it in a 1-10 format, anyone can.
Posted by Mohican

I'm not making excuses for not qualifying, it's just my opinion that i would prefer 1in5's due to the lower variance. Or at the very least sky could try and attract bigger fields to the 1in10's.. even highlighting the satellite in the tourney lobby would help increase player pool.. maybe also not running them EVERY night so as not to saturate the market.

Dazler

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

Cant you just play a DYM for £4 or some other S&G and pretend its a sattelite into the £8 one?
Posted by UareLIMPER

this is a very good valid point to be fair, as you can just play a normal game and if you win it you have the buy in for that more expensive sat and generaly this is what i do. If ive had a good day then i will treat myself to a bigger buy in sat, although saying that if your on a bad run and losing money daily then this dosnt give you any chance at all to play in the spt. I was lucky they did the one off freeroll otherwise i woulda had no chance at playing in one for a while. And im all for the underdog winning stuff and not just the big dogs.

sikas

for £36  the structureshould be deeper 3k chips 12min blinds imo

Mohican

Running them everynight wont make no difference, 4seats, 2 seats they will still be 1/10. I'm sure everyone would prefer 1/5 and that is possible when it's a £100+juice tourney,  This is a big buy-in tourney with a proper 2 day structure and as such are never going to be cheap. I think Sky players have been spoilt by the 1-5 sats and are just gonna have to get used to the 1/10 format if they want to play these bigger buy-in tourneys.

waller02

Ok I guess a 1 in 10 semi is fair enough....but please please please SKY can we have some micro sats into the 8 quid ones???? It can't be difficult to organise.

TRIP5

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

Running them everynight wont make no difference, 4seats, 2 seats they will still be 1/10. I'm sure everyone would prefer 1/5 and that is possible when it's a £100+juice tourney,  This is a big buy-in tourney with a proper 2 day structure and as such are never going to be cheap. I think Sky players have been spoilt by the 1-5 sats and are just gonna have to get used to the 1/10 format if they want to play these bigger buy-in tourneys.
Posted by Mohican

I think you are missing the point.. the 1:10 sats do not generate enough players to fill a 150 player event without opening it up to direct bi (Luton, Cardiff etc.. ) with that in mind filling a 250+ player event is going to be neigh impossible using this method alone..

Also, using your logic - if a £110 SPT event is 1:5, the £220 is 1:10 then surely the £330 should be 1:15???? Dont know about you but I personally dont like those apples!!

Its all very well and good allowing bigger BR's to buy in direct but it kind of goes against getting as many of the community players there as possible don't you think?

Keep the 1:10 for people like you Mo who can afford and prefer the 1:10 method or direct BI but at least allow those who dont a different option.. even if it is only one day per week!!

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Lambert180

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

In Response to Re: SPT sats : I think you are missing the point.. the 1:10 sats do not generate enough players to fill a 150 player event without opening it up to direct bi (Luton, Cardiff etc.. ) with that in mind filling a 250+ player event is going to be neigh impossible using this method alone.. Also, using your logic - if a £110 SPT event is 1:5, the £220 is 1:10 then surely the £330 should be 1:15???? Dont know about you but I personally dont like those apples!! Its all very well and good allowing bigger BR's to buy in direct but it kind of goes against getting as many of the community players there as possible don't you think? Keep the 1:10 for people like you Mo who can afford and prefer the 1:10 method or direct BI but at least allow those who dont a different option.. even if it is only one day per week!! xx
Posted by TRIP5

+1

waller02

I just wish a rep from sky could post and either say YES they will lay on some micro sats (or another compromise) or NO they are stayin as they are........being ignored is not good  

Details of the satellites for Leg 1 of the 2011-12 Sky Poker Tour will be announced soon, but as always each tournament will be designed for smaller bankrolls and focus on great structures.

(this was copied from the Sky Poker Tour section of the forum)

pomfrittes

In Response to Re: SPT sats:

In Response to Re: SPT sats : I think you are missing the point.. the 1:10 sats do not generate enough players to fill a 150 player event without opening it up to direct bi (Luton, Cardiff etc.. ) with that in mind filling a 250+ player event is going to be neigh impossible using this method alone.. Also, using your logic - if a £110 SPT event is 1:5, the £220 is 1:10 then surely the £330 should be 1:15???? Dont know about you but I personally dont like those apples!! Its all very well and good allowing bigger BR's to buy in direct but it kind of goes against getting as many of the community players there as possible don't you think? Keep the 1:10 for people like you Mo who can afford and prefer the 1:10 method or direct BI but at least allow those who dont a different option.. even if it is only one day per week!! xx
Posted by TRIP5

  AH. Irene the voice of reason, absolutely spot on in both your posts m8.

  I would also like to suggest that micro sats run of an evening to feed into following nights semi/final etc.ot just daytime sats.

  We had similar situations with VLV sats and despite numerous threads being started nothing was done. I firmly beleive that micro sats would be well supported during the evenings but until someone from SWky Towers gives the ok for a trial we will never know.

 

SPT

Threads like these are not being ignored by me, as Tour Manager

I've sent notes to Sky Towers, and will respond one way or another when I get a reply

Lambert180

There are 42 days between now and 5th September

There are currently 60 people registered... assuming you get 2 seats every single night (which isn't happening) that's an extra 84 runners which takes it up to 144 runners for a 250 runner event...

Say you take that up to 160 runners to take into account various celeb invites etc that Sky give, that still falls 90 runners short of the cap which is obviously pretty terrible.

You can draw 2 conclusions from this... 1) Direct buy-ins WILL happen... 2) A better satellite structure is needed.