Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :)

kidwiz10

Just a quick idea as i thought about this

Personally i think there a waste of time ino it was nice of sky to introduce em to boost the main mumbers and that but to the ordianry joe who playes the main n mini most night of the week there pointless
eg

£50 fr 400 runners    1st />£12.50

£200 fr 400 runners  1st />£50

For about 3 hours play just aint worth the effort and most players who play day in day out aint gunna bother with these at all

What i suggest:

Instead of a daily mini and main freeroll junk them

A weekly freeroll eg

Players who cash in either the main or the mini from mon/sat get entry to

£1500 freeroll on the sunday

So my guess there would be between 400/500 runners with 1st offering around £300

This would be a much better idea and its worth the time to play , can keep the same freeroll structure n that 

Thoughts and input be good

unknown_username

If you don't like them, just sit away.

I've Cashed in 2 from 3 Can't say NO to FREE Money imo

IDONKCALLU

imo i think it would be better to do a weekly freeroll for mini and main so instead of £50 freeroll would be £350 as the main event is on for 7 days and the main will be £1400 obv more players but bigger prize pool

kidwiz10

I do sit away its the 1st time ive actually bothered to play it tonight!

I didnt say i didnt like em i just said there pointless and not worth the time of day to players who play the main and mini day in day out as a weekly tourny would be a better option

Im just making a point everyone is always sat out and i wouldnt class playing 2 hours for a 40p min cash as worfit! hence why i do sit out

I was just stating my opinion on what i thought would be a better idea and as DONK pointed out bigger prizepool and something worth playing for

O and btw i "came 2nd in main tonight £30!!" brag post never , to go through 409 runners and 10th paying £2 exactly my point , not having a rant but wanted inputs not sarcy comments on FREE CASH eg

The_Don90

Ive played these the last few nights and i have to say i really enjoy them. I believe if you dislike them you can also de-reg, but behing honest, why are you complaining of getting £50 or £12.50 for NO INVESTMENT. The only investment you have to do is think for 3 hours. Very few freerolls on any site give mre than £50 to the winner unless theres a special reason - normally new players or a massive event or a multiple freeroll venture where you hae to win like 90 million freerolls before you cash. 

Anyways what im saying is Thanks sky for putting these on. Today i cashed in the mini, on Wednessday i cashed in mini. Ive cashed in 2 of these freerolls, both for small amounts, but meh i still cashed, i still got some pennys i put nothing in to gain. 

IMO WIN WIN WIN. 

CrazyBen23

Agreed, but my main point is that this also applies to skys tournaments due to the dreadful payout structure. In most main events for example you can play for 3 hour, get a min cash and have a steady profit of £1.47. No thank you. Same also applies if you get 11th - 20th, instead you may be lucky enough to get a tasty £6.74 profit. Solution? Pay less people 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

Agreed, but my main point is that this also applies to skys tournaments due to the dreadful payout structure. In most main events for example you can play for 3 hour, get a min cash and have a steady profit of £1.47. No thank you. Same also applies if you get 11th - 20th, instead you may be lucky enough to get a tasty £6.74 profit. Solution? Pay less people 
Posted by CrazyBen23

Really you want to pay less? 

Weaker players play to min cash it keeps them in the game simple. If they didnt min cash and break even theyd not cash not reload and not play again. If you ask me, pay more. less ftw but weaker players would be more common. 

So in theory imo its fine as it is. 

Although i would agree that an odd "winner takes all" tournament would be a good idea. 

kidwiz10

Im not complaining about the freerolls as i pointed out in the first place it was nice of Sky

I only suggested that maybe having a weekly version with more money on offer than several small ones might sound more appealing

I agree with CRAZY on the payout structure for freerools no1 wants to play all that time for pence in return free or not still wanna make it worth the time

Kiwini4u

I played my first one of these last night and for the first 45 minutes all I did was hit the raise/muck buttons as all the other players at my table were away.  I'm not complaining because its an easy way to build up a chip stack, but my point is that Sky either have to publicise these new games more or perhaps make it an option that when you register for the Main/Mini you have to tick a box to say if you want to play in the following nights freeroll, that way there will a) be fewer away players & b) the prize pool won't be so spread out.

bolesAA

In my opinion they are a little bit of a waste of time. I totally agree with the points made above that it is good for sky to introduce them and its a chance of free money etc. The problem is just because people can play on one night, does not mean they are avaiable on the next one to play. Further to this they start quite late, especially for people who are up early in the mornings for work. 

I like the idea of them, but I agree they need to make a bigger deal out of them to generate interest. I beleive a weekly one may do that. If not why not play them on the same night or if they wish to continue having them on the next night, why not start them at say half 7.. 

Andy 

kidwiz10

Yea i was i nthe same place as you kiwini raise raise as wer only player on my table

To be honest i think at least half the field was away the whole tourney was good for me yea but bored the pants off me!

aussie09

think of it more as an incentive rather than a reward.  a small incentive to encourage people to play successive nights. 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

In my opinion they are a little bit of a waste of time. I totally agree with the points made above that it is good for sky to introduce them and its a chance of free money etc. The problem is just because people can play on one night, does not mean they are avaiable on the next one to play. Further to this they start quite late, especially for people who are up early in the mornings for work.  I like the idea of them, but I agree they need to make a bigger deal out of them to generate interest. I beleive a weekly one may do that. If not why not play them on the same night or if they wish to continue having them on the next night, why not start them at say half 7..  Andy 
Posted by bolesAA

As a small bonus maybe add a jackpot style thing for someone who wins both freerolls. Not as big as the actual jackpot by maybe a few bob. 

Batkin88

If you think about the times of the freerolls you will prob understand why they run daily ones. They want people back each night to boost each ME on consecutive nights. Try to remember SKY is a business and although it is free there is a reason behind them running it.
I won't play them unless I am bored and then I will just donk about, but I can see why it is there and hopefully it will push the ME numbers up daily.

Swog

not SKY's best ideas.

GREGHOGG

I think any bonuses are great, and these freerolls suit some people and are good fun. (i go all in every hand lol)

Personally, i like the idea of a weekly freeroll if you play 4 mains or 4 minis in one week. so instead of one £200 freeroll per day it would be 1 £1400 or £350 freeroll per week, and the number of runners will be reduced as you will have to have played 4 events to quailfy. Also a nicer prizes up top. Then i will just go all in every other hand instead

cenachav

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

I think any bonuses are great, and these freerolls suit some people and are good fun. (i go all in every hand lol) Personally, i like the idea of a weekly freeroll if you play 4 mains or 4 minis in one week. so instead of one £200 freeroll per day it would be 1 £1400 or £350 freeroll per week, and the number of runners will be reduced as you will have to have played 4 events to quailfy. Also a nicer prizes up top. Then i will just go all in every other hand instead
Posted by GREGHOGG

So you play freerolls the same as you do normal poker then Greg .  Personally I only go all in when I have 62 off

huuuuume

i can see why sky have introduced them because there were no end of players moaning about lower stakes players not getting any rewards e.g. the new cash for points system.  probably would have been a good idea to give some indication to players that they were doing this as i had no clue at all what it was when it popped up.

but
i would love to know how many people these freerolls encourage to the site every day because i cant see the number being high at all. 

if its a reward for tournament players then do a league system with a big reward at the end of the month/week.  allocate points for each cash position and then the top 10 at the end of each month play a big freeroll. this would also help to solve some of the issues regarding payments in tournaments as it would boost the value of a min cash because it could improve your league position.  

there is already an excellent thread containing all tournament results and the player who updates the thread takes 10 minutes to collate results.  wouldnt take a lot of effort.

i can see OP's frustration and in all honesty i will be one of those players who are sat out at the tables.  although all freerolls are beneficial in theory it just seems like there are so many better ways to reward players or incentivise players

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

i can see why sky have introduced them because there were no end of players moaning about lower stakes players not getting any rewards e.g. the new cash for points system.  probably would have been a good idea to give some indication to players that they were doing this as i had no clue at all what it was when it popped up. but i would love to know how many people these freerolls encourage to the site every day because i cant see the number being high at all.  if its a reward for tournament players then do a league system with a big reward at the end of the month/week.  allocate points for each cash position and then the top 10 at the end of each month play a big freeroll. this would also help to solve some of the issues regarding payments in tournaments as it would boost the value of a min cash because it could improve your league position.   there is already an excellent thread containing all tournament results and the player who updates the thread takes 10 minutes to collate results.  wouldnt take a lot of effort. i can see OP's frustration and in all honesty i will be one of those players who are sat out at the tables.  although all freerolls are beneficial in theory it just seems like there are so many better ways to reward players or incentivise players
Posted by huuuuume

I'm not moaning at you Huuuume, I generally agree with most things you put on the forum, but if this was the thought process then it's very flawed.

Low stakes players don't tend to play alot of MEs and as for the Minis, it is a freeroll and 'free money'  but it is a £50 freeroll, and these run daily anyway without having to play the mini to get entry.

So it adds little value for low stakes players.

macapaca

Personally i think sky are wasting £250 a night on these freerolls.

I thionk thyey could save this money and spend it else where.

Most of us players playing the main especially are rolled for the £11, £22, £33 and £55 buy ins, so why would we sit in a freeroll with 300 playersish to win pennys??

I may be wrong but this is just my opinion!!

macapaca

Maybe put the full £250 for a freeroll for players playing the mini??????

Just an idea!!

Tikay10

Good afternoon.

The Main & Mini Freerolls are done for very good reason, which several replies have correctly identified.

SolidStan1

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

If you don't like them, just sit away. I've Cashed in 2 from 3 Can't say NO to FREE Money imo
Posted by POKERTREV

They are a pain in da @ss, they opened when I didnt know I was even registered.

I already had 3 games open, and they cause serious lag, everytime I close em they re-open and I couldnt throw my chips away because I had 5 away players, so even playing poker was out the window.

It could be worth while IF it was possible to post a pop-up window asking moments before it starts, "do ya wana be registered". that way, there would be no away players, and you could play poker if ya bankroll was short!

rancid

think they are good as you can just mess around, and breaks up the dull cash tables. I have messed about and finished 1st & 3rd so lols - should play so craxy in the mains + minis

MP33

Freerolls are usually played by rec players and players learning the game for a bit of fun

To take them away and replace them with players who play the ME and Mini doesn,t make sense imo

MP

(could lose new players as this is where they normally start)

pomfrittes

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

Freerolls are usually played by rec players and players learning the game for a bit of fun To take them away and replace them with players who play the ME and Mini doesn,t make sense imo MP (could lose new players as this is where they normally start)
Posted by MP33

  +1. Absolutely hit the nail on the head. The removal of the 10.30 freeroll is a bad move for the reasons stated plus the fact that a lot of players who have taken hits to their BR use them to try and rebuild. For example there is a thread running at the moment started by Geldy who is in this position.
 IMO replacing the freeroll with the Main+ is a big mistake as i do not see the attraction of a 200£ freeroll leading to an increase in numbers to the ME  but could, as MP33 says, lead to a reduction in the numbers of micro players. The effects of a reduction in new players and micro stakes players could be far reaching in the long term. 
 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself : They are a pain in da @ss, they opened when I didnt know I was even registered. I already had 3 games open, and they cause serious lag, everytime I close em they re-open and I couldnt throw my chips away because I had 5 away players, so even playing poker was out the window. It could be worth while IF it was possible to post a pop-up window asking moments before it starts, "do ya wana be registered". that way, there would be no away players, and you could play poker if ya bankroll was short!
Posted by SolidStan1

Lol i was actually struggling with the same issue and was deep in 3 tournys at the time, literally had to donk out of the one i was shortest in that id paid for btw, so i could then attempt to donk out of these freerolls think i actually busted you in one of them trying to give you my chips. lol. Glad to know you where trying to give me yours now i felt bad at the time.

I like the idea, but when i cant multitable more than 3 tables between 5 and 11pm due to my connection its frustrating.

kidwiz10

Thx for all the input guys much appreciated

Macapapa you hit it on the head totally agree with you there and i cant see how these are boosting ME numbers but what do i no ay

big LOL at solidstan had excatly the same problem with 5 away players n i couldnt do nothing about it!! pain in the bum

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

Thx for all the input guys much appreciated Macapapa you hit it on the head totally agree with you there and i cant see how these are boosting ME numbers but what do i no ay big LOL at solidstan had excatly the same problem with 5 away players n i couldnt do nothing about it!! pain in the bum
Posted by kidwiz10

Hi Wizzo.

GREAT effort last night, we were all rooting for you!

Now, down to businessssssss

There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding here. You have now TWICE said something similar, once in your OP, & now in your latest Post, & it is incorrect. If I don't correct that, players may start believing you, so I must.

"....I cant see how this is boosting main event numbers....."

It is not designed to boost Main Event numbers, & nobody from Sky Poker ever said it was!

It's perfectly fine and dandy that you & some others do not like them or think "they don't work", and you have said (words to the effect) that you are not complaining about a Freeroll as such, which is appreciated. 

But they are not designed as such to boost Main or Mini Main event players numbers. Honest injun!

PS - Your thread title asked for feedback "from Sky", so I've ticked that box.

Are we kool, Yolanda, are we kool?

MAXALLY

For balance.....I am in favour of them!

Played 3.......cashed in 3! (mini ones, obv).

For those you dislike them/do not want to play them, deregister. Simple.

*edit - there is no CANCEL reg button for the main f/roll, but there is for the mini.

Sky_Poker

In Response to Re: Main and Mini freerolls, Thoughts please including sky itself :

For balance.....I am in favour of them! Played 3.......cashed in 3! (mini ones, obv). For those you dislike them/do not want to play them, deregister. Simple. *edit - there is no CANCEL reg button for the main f/roll, but there is for the mini.
Posted by MAXALLY

Hi Maxally - you get the button to dereg of you are in it.

Thanks
Sky Poker