4-bet Bluffing: NL10

BorinLoner

cant explain this 4 betting with j q is oooober spewy against a guy who is up 2 and a half buy ins the other guy is thinking hes lucks in tonight just think its a really bad move against a big stack to make 

BorinLoner

I've been playing superbad over the last couple of days so I'm going to take a while away from the tables.
I rarely play cash and I can't decide on my 4-bet here.

I've only been at the table for four or five orbits but the 3-better seemed to be the most aggressive, most sophisticated player at the table. She seems very much capable of exploiting this situation with a squeeze and I'm confident she's aware that I'm aggressive and would look to isolate and exploit the limper with a wide range. The other players in the hand seem pretty passive, though the button is quite new to the table and I've only seen them in one or two hands.

So it's basically about my £6.10, 4-bet size. I'd almost always make my 4-bets proportionally alot smaller than my 3-bets but is this just too small? I wouldn't expect it to ever be flatted (except with a big pair) given my stack size so it seems to do the job. I've been playing so badly that I'm just not sure if my head's on straight. Thoughts please.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Frankie	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£73.96
Mollie	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£20.91
	Your hole cards	J Q
Una	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£21.50
Vanessa	Fold
BorinLoner	Raise		£0.50	£0.75	£22.50
Rochelle	Call		£0.50	£1.25	£15.85
Frankie	Raise		£2.80	£4.05	£71.16
Mollie	Fold
Una	Fold
BorinLoner	Raise		£5.60	£9.65	£16.90
Rochelle	Fold
Frankie	All-in		£71.16	£80.81	£0.00
BorinLoner	Fold
Frankie	Muck
Frankie	Win		£12.90		£12.90
Frankie	Return		£67.91	£0.00	£80.81

She claimed in the chat box that she had AK for what it's worth.

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

cant explain this 4 betting with j q is oooober spewy against a guy who is up 2 and a half buy ins the other guy is thinking hes lucks in tonight just think its a really bad move against a big stack to make 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Maybe. As I said, I've been playing superbad today. I could post one of hands up from a 4-player HU game. I had written a note on the guy about two minutes earlier saying "Only bets his big made hands" and I still 3-bet all-in with bottom pair, no draw on the turn.

I don't even drink. lol

DOHHHHHHH

This looks like summat I'd do!

...................looks baddd.

The size is perfect imo, the idea not so good.

I need to stop doing stuff like this, prob time to do some reading (me not u). Don't seem to know what I'm doing atm!

But here, his range is just v nutted. Might be able to get him to peel Queens and AK and make a play on some flops, but he's prob never light. 

liamboi11

think your sizing is fine just bad timing imo againist opponent

IDONKCALLU

i think if u playing some 1 that has just a full buy in of 20 and some 1 that has 70 so up 50 makes a lot of difference i dnt think this is a good play against some 1 whos obviously running well on the table if im up 3 buy ins im never folding to anything once i raise coz i think its 1 of them nites ya running well i just think against other playerson this table it would work against an aggro guy whos running well not so

BorinLoner

I think I do this sort of thing quite alot: Convince myself that my opponent is making more moves than they really are. If I played more often, I'd probably be more disciplined and just fold... hopefully.

At the time the thinking was that "Frankie's" range was pretty polarised. Obviously AA, KK, QQ, AK and perhaps JJ are in her 3-bet range but it seemed she'd be doing this alot of the time with junk hands too. Pairs below JJ are likely to call the raise as are suited connectors, etc.

I should probably wait until I've seen the player in alot more hands before making a move such as this. I don't think I'd really seen enough of her to know if she could be 3-betting light. At least I didn't call.

NColley

people tend not to squeeze oop too lightly

just fold to the 3bet

NColley

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

i think if u playing some 1 that has just a full buy in of 20 and some 1 that has 70 so up 50 makes a lot of difference i dnt think this is a good play against some 1 whos obviously running well on the table if im up 3 buy ins im never folding to anything once i raise coz i think its 1 of them nites ya running well i just think against other playerson this table it would work against an aggro guy whos running well not so
Posted by IDONKCALLU

?????????????

lolwat

Lambert180

I was thinking exactly the same NColley lol. Donk, the fact you've won 3 BIs in last half hour or whatever literally has zero impact on your future luck and there's no reason you can't either donk off them 3 BIs and more, or just get coolered for 3 BIs. If a move is correct 100BB effective, then it's correct, doesn't matter if you got 100,000BB if the villian only got 100.

rancid

fold pre

it's a miracle if you ever get 3 bet light at NL10 from the blinds )

sighcall

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

i think if u playing some 1 that has just a full buy in of 20 and some 1 that has 70 so up 50 makes a lot of difference i dnt think this is a good play against some 1 whos obviously running well on the table if im up 3 buy ins im never folding to anything once i raise coz i think its 1 of them nites ya running well i just think against other playerson this table it would work against an aggro guy whos running well not so
Posted by IDONKCALLU

im sorry but this is a terrible statement

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

i think if u playing some 1 that has just a full buy in of 20 and some 1 that has 70 so up 50 makes a lot of difference i dnt think this is a good play against some 1 whos obviously running well on the table if im up 3 buy ins im never folding to anything once i raise coz i think its 1 of them nites ya running well i just think against other playerson this table it would work against an aggro guy whos running well not so
Posted by IDONKCALLU

I am printing this out, and framing it. hahahaaaaaaaaaa )))

percival09

lololol

fwiw I'm not sure if 4b bluffing is profitable readless at nl10

It aint bad tho. 

IDONKCALLU

u can laff u can frame it but if im on a roll on a table i am calling 4 bet raises with my suited connectors coz i love em doesnt matter if its £4 if u hit big u can crack these big pairs and get there stack geeeez  easy game i tell ya watch negranu he master at it so ya cant laff at what i say 

IDONKCALLU

if im up 3 buy ins on a table 4 bet me i call ya when ya on a roll ya on a roll thats poker u hit a card rack where u hit everything i have cards ya wnt expect which can crack ya good cards all about ranges what u put em on if u put em on a certain range u can raise with a airball and win monies

percival09

tv poker is hardly real poker. It's played purely for an entertainment purpose and no doubt they are told beforehand to make it as entertaining as possible without going overboard

percival09

if I was a millionaire playing on tv in a measly 100K game I'd make weird plays trying to be entertaining too. Especially when it's probably not even his own money either. Most tv poker isn't reality and therefore basing your game on Negreanu's play is deeply flawed imo

IDONKCALLU

oh ok thanks i take your advice on board i do like to get funk on my connectors tho can rep a big pocket pair when really u have the low cards and when u do hit big with ya low cards on a low flop people aint gonna believe ya and u get all the monies schizzle mi nizzle 

LOL_RAISE

28bb 3bet is sooo big id assume its never a bluff

bugaloo

have you been drinking idcku?

i like the play fwiw

IDONKCALLU

dam i been caught  

TINTIN

im curious as to how BL mmanaged to rope the saturdays into a game:)

rancid

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

im curious as to how BL mmanaged to rope the saturdays into a game:)
Posted by TINTIN

lol

offshoot

In Response to 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

I've only been at the table for four or five orbits but the 3-better seemed to be the most aggressive, most sophisticated player at the table. She seems very much capable of exploiting this situation with a squeeze and I'm confident she's aware that I'm aggressive and would look to isolate and exploit the limper with a wide range.
Posted by BorinLoner

woah slow down batman. All this stuff you think is happening is most likely not happening. Stop levelling yourself.

beaneh

hudge 3bet

NL10

why are you 4betting light?

call and outplay or fold and move on.

you're better than this BL!

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

hudge 3bet NL10 why are you 4betting light? call and outplay or fold and move on. you're better than this BL!
Posted by beaneh

lol... No, I'm really not.

So the consensus seems to be: Don't do this! Levelling myself = Bad

If I could take that advice a little more regularly I'd be a rich man by now. I'd have at least dozens of pounds to my name.

Ta for the input folks. A few weeks away from the tables will do me reet.

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

im curious as to how BL mmanaged to rope the saturdays into a game:)
Posted by TINTIN

What can I say? I'm an appealling, eligible young gentleman... and the ladies are good at spotting easy value.

beaneh

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10 : lol... No, I'm really not. So the consensus seems to be: Don't do this! Levelling myself = Bad If I could take that advice a little more regularly I'd be a rich man by now. I'd have at least dozens of pounds to my name. Ta for the input folks. A few weeks away from the tables will do me reet.
Posted by BorinLoner

meh you do yourself a disservice. 

I remember playing some sessions where you were on a few of my tables at nl50 or maybe lower when I was grinding alot and I specifically remember you giving me more trouble/playing better than most Nl200 regs on sky.

You are 100% levelling yourself way too much. 

Ploppy33

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10 : meh you do yourself a disservice.  I remember playing some sessions where you were on a few of my tables at nl50 or maybe lower when I was grinding alot and I specifically remember you giving me more trouble/playing better than most Nl200 regs on sky. You are 100% levelling yourself way too much. 
Posted by beaneh

GET A ROOM!

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10:

In Response to Re: 4-bet Bluffing: NL10 : meh you do yourself a disservice.  I remember playing some sessions where you were on a few of my tables at nl50 or maybe lower when I was grinding alot and I specifically remember you giving me more trouble/playing better than most Nl200 regs on sky. You are 100% levelling yourself way too much. 
Posted by beaneh

I've never played NL50. The biggest cash game I've ever played on Sky is NL10 and even that's a rarity. I only play a couple of times a week and unless you make a visit to £2 or £5 MTT's and SnG's, you won't ever see me.

Perhaps you're thinking of a chap called SadLoner... or something similar.