sit and go champ

CHILLIE

this promo should of been done in a format of league points, not poker points. only the high rollers will get into the top 6 so not done on a fair playing field imo.

18AND5TIME

well said chills, they coulda gone back to awarding points as they did for the league for years, this coulda gone on for the week giving everyone a fair chance

1267

Pretty laughable.    Basically whoever wants to play the most heads up games big stakes.    Gl to them.

TommyD

I think it's going to be close between people who only play £55+ and those who play £11+ purely on the amount of games that run during the day.  There are many more at mid stake, although from 7pm onwards the £55 games get going at a decent rate.

I think the final will have a mix of mid stakes and high stakes regs.  I do think it will be hard for the lower stake regs to get in, although not impossible.

CHILLIE

A good idea would of been diffrent levels ie: 6players from diffrent levels, 1pound to 5 pound, level 10 to 22 pound level and so on, would of been fair so the lower stake players get a chance to actually contest this promo, but well done sky on helping the high rollers.

Summerjade

Yes well done sky money makes money again - unless ur a high roller playing £55+ stakes no point in playing this imo

rancid

Totally unfair as the higher stake BR players have a massive advantage

I mean seriously give the low BR players a chance SKY !

Sit N Go champ if you have a big BR !

TommyD

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

Pretty laughable.    Basically whoever wants to play the most heads up games big stakes.    Gl to them.
Posted by 1267

I don't think they'll run enough.  The regs just don't play each other to a high enough level.

Lambert180

Assuming he's still putting in the volume he used to, I'm pretty sure WrongJohn is guaranteed a place because he is a massive sicko and I'm pretty sure he isn't a 'high roller' in terms of the stakes he chooses to play. Could be wrong but I'm sure he plays like medium stakes like £11s

CHILLIE

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

Pretty laughable.    Basically whoever wants to play the most heads up games big stakes.    Gl to them.
Posted by 1267

and so is this post

Summerjade

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

Assuming he's still putting in the volume he used to, I'm pretty sure WrongJohn is guaranteed a place because he is a massive sicko and I'm pretty sure he isn't a 'high roller' in terms of the stakes he chooses to play. Could be wrong but I'm sure he plays like medium stakes like £11s
Posted by Lambert180[/QUO

ive seen wj on dyms from 5s to 55s

TommyD

The lower stakes player do have the advantage that if many of the regs want to have a go at this the volume of those games will increase dramatically.  I don't think most of the higher stakes regs will react in the same fashion.  The only thing in my experience that has ever gotten the game rate up at the higher stakes was the 60k points race, and that was just a few regs pushing for that.

I'm not sure where all this dislike for the promo is coming from.  You cannot expect to play the same amount of games you always have and just wander into the final.  The first thing I did was to dramatically increase the ranges of games I register for.  I'm not saying you should play higher, but I think anyone serious about going for this needs to play the lower games as well as their usual and play longer sessions.

belsibub

I don't think a 1 week promo of this sort is what is needed boost sit'n'go's.
Top grinders rewarded well as always and draw which i sure will be done fair for the rest to look forward to. 

CHILLIE

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

Assuming he's still putting in the volume he used to, I'm pretty sure WrongJohn is guaranteed a place because he is a massive sicko and I'm pretty sure he isn't a 'high roller' in terms of the stakes he chooses to play. Could be wrong but I'm sure he plays like medium stakes like £11s
Posted by Lambert180

wrongjohn left the site when they done away with the league

CHILLIE

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

The lower stakes player do have the advantage that if many of the regs want to have a go at this the volume of those games will increase dramatically.  I don't think most of the higher stakes regs will react in the same fashion.  The only thing in my experience that has ever gotten the game rate up at the higher stakes was the 60k points race, and that was just a few regs pushing for that. I'm not sure where all this dislike for the promo is coming from.  You cannot expect to play the same amount of games you always have and just wander into the final.  The first thing I did was to dramatically increase the ranges of games I register for.  I'm not saying you should play higher, but I think anyone serious about going for this needs to play the lower games as well as their usual and play longer sessions.
Posted by TommyD

sorry to disagree with u tommy but we know the high rollers will be lining up in the top 6, a lower stacks player will have to do more than increase there sessions this has not been thought out at all, should of been done on a league point format.

TommyD

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

In Response to Re: sit and go champ : sorry to disagree with u tommy but we know the high rollers will be lining up in the top 6, a lower stacks player will have to do more than increase there sessions this has not been thought out at all, should of been done on a league point format.
Posted by CHILLIE

We'll just have to see at the end on this one.  If you're right then I'll doth my cap to you and say you were right.  I do concede a league point format would have been better, however I still think this is a good promotion and accessible for more than just the HRers.  We'll see in a week's time who was right.

BTW I'm playing everything £11+ so I should have a fair idea of some of the people who have gone for it and will hope to see them in the final.  Along with myself.

Lambert180

To be fair, there are people who 18 table like £3.30s and £5.50s and so if you reckon they take 30 mins per DYM roughly, they're getting an average of 4 points per game, so 72 points per 30 minutes, in comparison to a £55 player who gets 50 points per game but can't play as many games, it's not completely inconceivable that a proper low stakes grinder could get up there.

So they could be earning 144 per hour (roughly), so do that for 3 hours for 7 days and you got 3k points in 1 week. Sure that's a hell of a grind but it's only for a week, and if it gives you somewhere between £100 and £1000, it's worth it if you have the time.

It's not gonna be easy for low stakes players, but considering getting in it is a guaranteed £100 minimum and possibly £1000 if you take it down, it shouldn't be easy. If I was a DYM grinder, I'd certainly be giving it a go, but I'm not so yeah.

CHILLIE

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

To be fair, there are people who 18 table like £3.30s and £5.50s and so if you reckon they take 30 mins per DYM roughly, they're getting an average of 4 points per game, so 72 points per 30 minutes, in comparison to a £55 player who gets 50 points per game but can't play as many games, it's not completely inconceivable that a proper low stakes grinder could get up there. So they could be earning 144 per hour (roughly), so do that for 3 hours for 7 days and you got 3k points in 1 week. Sure that's a hell of a grind but it's only for a week, and if it gives you somewhere between £100 and £1000, it's worth it if you have the time. It's not gonna be easy for low stakes players, but considering getting in it is a guaranteed £100 minimum and possibly £1000 if you take it down, it shouldn't be easy. If I was a DYM grinder, I'd certainly be giving it a go, but I'm not so yeah.
Posted by Lambert180

sosorry lambert but u are wrong,3.30s and 5.50s have not got a chance, the players that do 22dyms and above will take the top 6 spots if this was done on a league points system, i would agree with u coz then u have to cash and not just play.IFthis was done ike this it would of seen a few lower stacks player get in.

drumahai05

once again i have missed something i think what are you all talking about is there a new league?? or a replacement to the old. please help a old senile fogger out please and explain

belsibub

Anyone who thinks this promo is an incentive for the average player to play more sit'n'go's is deluded.
It's totally geared towards multi table grinders especially high level ones.
If this is what sky thinks is a good idea they need to think again.All of the top places will be taken by players playing there normal multi table grinds.

belsibub

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

once again i have missed something i think what are you all talking about is there a new league?? or a replacement to the old. please help a old senile fogger out please and explain
Posted by drumahai05

This Become the King

unknown_username

Completely agree with Chillie. 

unknown_username

In Response to sit and go champ:

this promo should of been done in a format of league points, not poker points. only the high rollers will get into the top 6 so not done on a fair playing field imo.
Posted by CHILLIE

Couldn't agree more...its a closed shop and doesn't promote for lower volume players, whatsoever. However, SKY is a business and its a 'up your volume' promotion. Some grinders, i know, are even swapping from cash etc to get in on it. I understand the reasons for doing it.

Why not have a minimum number of games and highest ROI's or win rates over that period get the invite. It wouldn't be difficult to do and would see some different names on the tables too. For people who are beating say DYM's, i'd prefer to see a shoot out with the 'best' ones NOT the ones who just play the most. You could start by taking the name CHAMP off the promotion and maybe call it '8TABLESATATIME' or is that too many letters? HAHA...

A little more imagination please MR SKY for players on your site who haven't the cash/time to multi table for 6 hours a day. Spread the promotions out throughout your volume levels or they will receive resentment and alienation from players who think you are ignoring them.

I was considering playing 6x£3.30 dym's a night this week instead of 5 but i'm not going to now as a token gesture...LOL(last bit was in tongue in cheek guys so no silly replies to it please eh, but the rest is my honest view)

kevcoke69

I do agree with chillie that it is aimed at the high rollers as the top 6 at the end of the week will be the top 6 rake earners on sng`s for that week which will massively favour the higher stakes players and i also see were tommy is coming from by saying that they oppertunity is there for everyone to multitable the higher stakes and have a crack at this but sadly it is only available for those with huge bankrolls ie the high rollers.
I applaude sky for trying to do something for the sng players but if this was to run again then a different structure would mean the best 6 sng players make the final 6 and not just the 6 highest rake makers.
I wish everyone who is trying to make the final 6 the best of luck, I am in the middle of a challenge of my own so wont be stepping up to higher stakes to fight for one of those places.

waller02

Why not have a sit and go competition where people put their name forward if they wish they wish to play. A draw is then made placing the players in a DYM stt, say 5.50 buy in to suit all or most players. Top 3 go through to next round, rinse and repeat until we are down to the final 6 and then a prizepool of sky's choice......

May be a bad idea, and would need some tweaking, but the winner of this would have more of a claim to being sit and go champ and would also be more of a laugh imo....

littlelou

i think sit and go champ should be the person with the biggest win rate not the biggest bankroll.

mj8bs

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

Why not have a sit and go competition where people put their name forward if they wish they wish to play. A draw is then made placing the players in a DYM stt, say 5.50 buy in to suit all or most players. Top 3 go through to next round, rinse and repeat until we are down to the final 6 and then a prizepool of sky's choice...... May be a bad idea, and would need some tweaking, but the winner of this would have more of a claim to being sit and go champ and would also be more of a laugh imo....
Posted by waller02

That would be called DYM champ I assume. I think a league points system here has to be the way forward otherwise there is no incentive for the lower stakes SNG grinders to bother. Also what about the non DYM SNGs. There simply is never enough of these running to be able to compete with the £11 and £5 DYMs. The most scarys Ive ever managed to multi table was 6 at a time and that was al £5 and below. 

unknown_username

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

I think it's going to be close between people who only play £55+ and those who play £11+ purely on the amount of games that run during the day.  There are many more at mid stake, although from 7pm onwards the £55 games get going at a decent rate. I think the final will have a mix of mid stakes and high stakes regs.  I do think it will be hard for the lower stake regs to get in, although not impossible.
Posted by TommyD

Hi Tommy
I'd like to see the numbers of low level players in it at the end. They certainly won't be the ones with highest win rates a if they are, then only by coincidence. There are grinders switching to this even though its not their regular game as they know that their volume will be enough to qualify regardless of results. How can that be the criteria for a competition? It doesn'tmake sense and everybody reaing the promotion surely understands this.

Could Sky not introduce something where good results over a period provide a table tournament so that good players with lowver volume or smaller BR's but higher win rates can fight with the BIG boys and not let it be cash dependent? I got a free entry for the Roller for winning the overall monthly DTd. Now £110 is well out of my range for entries but playing with MattBates and Saradog (who won it) as well as a silver star winner etc really gave me a buzz as well as making me realise how much i've to learn. It was an experience and one which will make me play more in the future. Surely thats the aim of a promotion.

Personally, i'd rather see a table playing with players who'd won say 75% of games in a week after a prescribed number of games specified by SKY, maybe, than amassing a trillion points and qualifying that way. I'd feel that i could then possibly glean  something from play which has been successful under the criteria.

waller02

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

In Response to Re: sit and go champ : That would be called DYM champ I assume. I think a league points system here has to be the way forward otherwise there is no incentive for the lower stakes SNG grinders to bother. Also what about the non DYM SNGs. There simply is never enough of these running to be able to compete with the £11 and £5 DYMs. The most scarys Ive ever managed to multi table was 6 at a time and that was al £5 and below. 
Posted by mj8bs

Or any sit and go comp with a knockout format.....but the league points system would also work better I agree, which brings the question: Why did sky ever scrap the league in the first place????, one of their poorer ideas for sure!

MRBURNS4

The trouble with any promo etc is you will never appeal or make everyone happy.

I know what everyone is saying but if this would have been done on a format as suggested ie 2 from each section I think you would have seen a very angry forum here why, because how would the £5 DYM players have felt when for example Tommyd turned up at your table because he knew that way he would be gtn a final freeroll place due to his edge?

Also I know a lot of criticism that it benfits the higher level players but isnt their rake that will be the majorty of the money used to finance this? 

I am just trying to make people look at all sides and how hard it is to come up with a format that works and gets the higher level players to play enough to make this financial work and therefore can lead to more promos in the future, which is what players did ask for which is something for the STG players not just for cash play.

1267

In Response to Re: sit and go champ:

i think sit and go champ should be the person with the biggest win rate not the biggest bankroll.
Posted by littlelou

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