How much to 3bet in these spots.

FlashFlush

I never really know how much to 3bet in these multiway pots preflop. I either seem to get everyone to fold or everyone calls. What do you think my betsize should be here?

georgemc23	Small blind		£0.20	£0.20	£18.60
FlashFlush	Big blind		£0.40	£0.60	£39.95
	Your hole cards	A A
swann3ck	Raise		£1.60	£2.20	£40.29
alias79	Call		£1.60	£3.80	£100.01
VINEY73	Fold
georgemc23	Call		£1.40	£5.20	£17.20
FlashFlush

Lambert180

I had a very similar spot to this last night and having talked through it with someone, I think you need to 3bet to about £7. It might sound a bit much but any less and you're giving great odds for people to call and once one does, they all do.

yb

i'd make it £5.60-£6 to go

IDONKCALLU

i would go more coz if 1 calls they all call genereally i go around £6 - £7

murray69

£5.99 for me

Mohican

There's 13bb's in the middle and I don't want this pot multi way. So I make it £9/£10 and if they all fold you've made a handsome profit uncontested. But if you want to build a pot then £5/6 and be ready for a 4 way pot. 

DOHHHHHHH

I thought 4.50 total when I first looked. 

Seems I'm way off!

percival09

£5.50-6 GBP!!!!!!!!!!

LOL_RAISE

14-15bb

yb

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I thought 4.50 total when I first looked.  Seems I'm way off!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

yeh an 11bb 3bet oop to a 4x open when you have 2 calls behind is a bit on the small side

Lambert180

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I thought 4.50 total when I first looked.  Seems I'm way off!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Yeah I think if you go to 4.50, then the first guy has to call £3 into a pot of nearly £10, so he's calling wide, then the next guy has to call £3 into £13, and so on, so by the end, the last guy is calling ATC and you're going 4way. Granted you're going 4way with the nuts pre, and you might win more long term, but just lost alot more often... not sure.

IDONKCALLU

ya never ever wanna go 4 way with aces more often then not u will lose want to get it heads up more i see this more i like a really big bet like £9-£10 actually make em pay for set mining etc if they all fold nice chunk to add to ya stack 

rancid

£6.52

Curt360x27

Flat call and trap them all! Then check/min raise the flop.

grantorino

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ya never ever wanna go 4 way with aces more often then not u will lose want to get it heads up more i see this more i like a really big bet like £9-£10 actually make em pay for set mining etc if they all fold nice chunk to add to ya stack 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Go sit on the naughty step and stay there till u know what u said wrong

grantorino

I make it 6

Not that worried about going multiway with the spr that would be there. Would think its great to go multiway

GREGHOGG

i woulda said £8.40

lol

GELDY

I said £6 before reading the thread.

having taken into account the other comments I would still say £6 if willing to risk a multi-way pot (my choice) or £9-10 if wanting to isolate the hand holding AK/KK/QQ or taking it down if they are not there.

the only way I could bet as low as £4.50 would be if no-one had called the raise, and I was in position.

interested, JJ, on your rationale.

1267

5.20  - 5.50

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: How much to 3bet in these spots.:

I said £6 before reading the thread. having taken into account the other comments I would still say £6 if willing to risk a multi-way pot (my choice) or £9-10 if wanting to isolate the hand holding AK/KK/QQ or taking it down if they are not there. the only way I could bet as low as £4.50 would be if no-one had called the raise, and I was in position. interested, JJ, on your rationale.
Posted by GELDY

Ummmm, I don't know really it's just what I'd do coz it's what I've done in the past......

Just normally go 11xbb as a 3bet, plus abit more if it's multi away and I'm out of position so maybe around 4.80/5 total in game.

Live n learn! 

FlashFlush

Thanks for the replies guys. I completely forgot I posted this until I just had a similar hand. In the hand above I think I made it £7.20 off the top of my head and they all folded. Looks like I wasn't far off the mark. Much prefer £7 and they all fold rather than £5 and get 3 callers.

grantorino

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Thanks for the replies guys. I completely forgot I posted this until I just had a similar hand. In the hand above I think I made it £7.20 off the top of my head and they all folded. Looks like I wasn't far off the mark. Much prefer £7 and they all fold rather than £5 and get 3 callers.
Posted by FlashFlush

Why?

FlashFlush

Because in a 4 way pot with AA you lose more than you win...

grantorino

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Because in a 4 way pot with AA you lose more than you win...
Posted by FlashFlush

I'm not so sure that's true, but even if it is the question is do you lose more money than you win

LOL_RAISE

id much rather have 3callers than everyone folds

FlashFlush

Must be the nit in me coming out on this 1 then lol

AcidMan27

In these spots I just look at the pot and round it up. So here i'd make it £6.

I manily do this because i'm not good enough at maths in 15 seconds to work it all out exactly to a specific ammount of  big blinds.

pr1nnyraid

'i'd rather 3 folds than 3 calls' - crazy. 

That's basically admitting you are scared money.. I hear it all the time when some 80yo chump is telling me why he open shoved aces 1st hand of an mtt, "ohhh young man i didnt want them all to call and beat me" wp old man.. CRAZY

bolly580

yh just make it £20 heaven forbid we got those AA cracked

FlashFlush

OK well lets flip this on its head... Say I make it £7 and get called by all 3. We now have a £28 pot and £33 behind. What kind of flop do you not CBet on and if you we bet are we just shoving as any decent bets surely commit us.

bolly580

we let these nice chaps come along with there KQ, and there AJ and there other nonsense and watch em stack off when they flop top pair