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Is poker really a skill game?
Its a question everyone has asked themselves once in a while.
I know in the long term people will say u will win and they will lose but somtyms i feel like im playing bingo- if my numbers come out then its my night.
Some cards just come to set u up even playing everything correctly.
So if people could give some reasons why its a skill game id appreciate it cause im struggling atm, thank
I know in the long term people will say u will win and they will lose but somtyms i feel like im playing bingo- if my numbers come out then its my night.
Some cards just come to set u up even playing everything correctly.
So if people could give some reasons why its a skill game id appreciate it cause im struggling atm, thank
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yes it can feel like u r playing bingo robbie,can't it.
and yes some nights we win and some nights we lose.
what u need to do is find a format of poker that suits you,that u enjoy,and from there you then just need to work out the best way to turn those 10 win nights and 10 losing nights into a 11 win and 9 lose ratio.
that would be a good start anyway.
many winning players will multi-table 6 tables and more.
why,because it helps 'iron out' the variance and also gives you more c4p which is always welcome.
on my recent £40-£1040 dym challenge i won £700 from my play and £300 from c4p.
to just give you an example.
playing 15 tables was also a massive reason towards this.
had i for example been playing say just 6 tables,then i'm guessing that i'd be at around the £500 mark today, at best.
i am not saying that you should do the same.
but you could do a lot worse.
playing cash is never an easy road to go down,imo.but obviously more exciting, and very profitable long term.
with bigger swings involved,arguably,you need to be able to deal with that too.
anyway robbie,
when all is said and done, it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks or says,it will come down to what you think and what you decide to do about it.
best wishes.
dev
For instance, really good cash players will still only be winning around 55-60% of sessions. So, assuming it is on the lower side of this, everytime you sit down there is 45% chance this will be a losing session. So that means the chances of losing 4 session in a row, even as a winning player are around 1in24... now that doesn't sound like much, but if you play 3 times a week (so 150 sessions a year), you're gonna lose 4 sessions in a row 6 times a year, so once every other month. The more you play, the more often you'll experience these losing runs, but the more you should win if you're a winning player.
The key, and the reason winners win, is because they generally win alot more in their winning sessions than they lose in their losing sessions.
You don't see the same players cashing/FT tabling/winning MTT on SKY because it's all luck
You see randoms doing well because they had some luck
If you play just to get lucky then your going to lose in the long run, even though you may win in the short term.
To consistenly win in poker you need to know how to play the game, simple.
So yeah you need to learn the skills )
And the skills required in poker are actually very broad.
Not just about playing the cards you are dealt, it's just as important to learn skills such as BRM, controlling tilt issues, understanding situations.
So it's just not poker skill, certain life skills you need to learn aswel.
For example someone who likes to gamble with there money, or doesn't value money and throws it around - may have very good cardd playing skills but may not be a winner at poker.
Likewise someone who is very risk averse and very thrifty with their money may not be able to gamble enough.
show me your tekkers !
For cash obv skill will matter more because tourneys is more luck but even in cash, somone could go on the wrong card hit the cards and the other player loses hes money after playing it perfect. He then has to make up for the money he has lost plus profit from it, but if the same thing happens again with a flsh getting lucky what can his skill do to change this?
Also a game where you can play perfect and still lose is hard to believe the skill outweighs the luck.
Just wanted some views to stop the thought of its all luck creeping in, so thankyou for all the views
Just go to Sharkscope and check the MTT stats of some top players on here... ones I can think of off the top of my head....
Sikas
Wacko90
(there are tons more, just think of a name you see doing consistently well in the Main Events on here)
You'll see most winning player's MTT graphs go down, down down, big jump up, down down, big jump up etc, because you will go long periods without a win or FT but it will even out if you're good, and the graph will always be going steadily up long term. Sometimes you see posts on here where one of good players has had things go there win and won 3 big MTTs on here in the space of a day or two.
To actually get to that point time and time again is just skill
To win an MTT takes a fair amount of luck/run good though, you can't deny that.
To run deep time and time again in a MTT and become one of the all time tournament money winners in poker like Daniel Negraeno - now that's all skill baby ! Just as Phil ivery, Siedel etc.. will be amoung them names
This also applies down here at SKY, where you have name on here who are on top of that comperative list
to get as much money in as possible when you have favourable odds (IE, the best hands)
to get as much money out of the situation where you may end up with the best hand but are currently drawing to it (IE, balancing pot control with extracting money incase you do hit)
to put as little money in the pot as possible when you have bad odds (IE, binning 72, mucking TJ in a 5-way pot on a board of AAKTK etc)
the people that do all of these better than other people are the ones who will consistently make money.
it's like putting all your money on man united in every game. long term they win about 67% of the time. if the odds were always 2/1 (LOL) you would make so much money long term, even if they lost their first 12 games and drew the next 6.
It's in many a poker book, Carlo has said it on 861, and maybe other players have said it, with the variance involved, you're unlikely to ever be able to win more than 65-70% of sessions, and most of us don't completely CRUSH the game we play. Obviously the percentage you win will probably increase if A) you're playing at really low stakes and
So skill is the deciding factor long term, but in the short term anyone can beat anyone as the playing field is more equal
Go and play federer at tennis and what chance do you have - 1% - he may fall over and break his arm and you win by default )
Play ivey in a hand of poker and you probbaly around 20% to win
if you look at football then it's more like 96% skill 4% luck
varaince in football aye ) weather, referee, linesman etc... Arsenal always run bad !
Think of it like this... Chess is a game where there is zero luck factor, there is no hidden information, both players are aware at all times of the full game state. Unlike poker, if you sat down and played the best chess player in the world, you would probably lose 100% of games.
Now imagine the best chess player in the world said, do you wanna play chess for £50 a game, would you play? No, because you are just burning money.
Now poker, the worst player in the world could beat the best player in the world if he ran like god, and it can be annoying when you lose (as the winning player) but imagine there was zero luck factor and everytime a bad player played, they would just lose, lose, lose, dya think they'd keep playing? It wouldn't take me long to give up the game if I lost 100% of the time I sat down.
So these bad players remember the time they called a 3bet preflop with 7To and flopped a straight and continue to do it, they don't remember the other 10 times they did it and just check/folded, or worse called and lost alot more. It's the luck factor that keeps them coming back, and keeps the winning players winning.
A good poker player's edge is never gonna be THAT massive when taking into account rake etc, the best way to demonstrate this is...
Take a piece of paper and write 100 at the top and start flipping a coin.
Every time you get a head, add 10 to your total, every time you get tails take away 9 from your total.
Gradually you're total will go up but you will inevitably go through periods were your total just seems to be going down. Sometimes it'll be shooting up or shooting down, but it will gradually be going up
i got lucky a thousand times in my recent challenge
(* *)
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dev